Biggest Mary Sues of the Warrior Cat UniverseI'm sure we've all thought at least one character in the Warriors universe was a Mary Sue. In case you don't know, a Mary Sue (or Gary Stu, for male characters) is a character in the story that angsts about everything, is utterly perfect, and imbalanced compared to ther other characters. If you would like a more in-depth explanation, Google it.
Now, a Mary Sue (or heck, even Kitty Sue) is NOT just a character you don't like. Don't put characters up here unless you truly think they're unbalanced and either too generic/predictable or too overpowered. OCs will not be allowed. Feel free to put in plenty of cats, but I wouldn't recommend trying with the less well-known ones (such as cats in Codes of the Clans), as those are likely to just collect dust at the bottom of the list. Finally, please don't vote on a cat just because you think they shouldn't be called a Mary Sue. I may be new to this website and all, but I know that upvoting your favorite character to be recognized as an unbalanced one wouldn't be among the best of ideas.
Now, let the Listing Games begin, and may the odds be ever in the favor of your submitted cat!
The Top Ten
Dovewing is just very annoying in my opinion and she is nothing like her sister, though it breaks my heart because her and Ivypool would've been the best twins ever! And Dovewing just feels like a replacement of Hollyleaf, it didn't seem fair. Out of the blue she had these super-natural seeing powers that she probably would've told someone about before and not to mention Tigerheart and Dovewing are just an annoying couple. It doesn't seem right, not just because their both from another clan cause I have nothing against that, it's just, it doesn't seem to fit. And when she broke up with Tigerheart and went to Bumblestripe my mind went, UGH! Because Bumblestripe could do way better than her, I don't ship Dovewing with anyone and she's just an annoying character in general, she is a total mary-sue and I have no idea why people favor her.
Dovewing lovers sorry in advance
heres a list of reasons why I hate dovewing
1. She acts so heroic and like she's so much better than everyone when she goes on the beaver journey
2. She somehow has these amazing powers and complains "oh my life is so unfair I have superpowers and I'm so important"
3. her powers aren't even that good yet she thinks there suuuch a burden and she can stir up so much drama because of them
4. She casts out her sister becasue she's jealous that Ivypool is getting more important than her
5. In the great battle all she does is run around and hear them but Ivypool actually has info and knows the dark forest's battle moves.
6. After the great battle she complains so much about losing her powers that the erins had to make a hole book about it
7.When she is complaining Bumblestripe tries hard to help her but she is just looking for stupid Tigerheart and doesn't even think about Bumblestripe's feelings
8. When she is expecting kits she ...more
YEP SO TRUE!
1) she was whinging all the time
2) she was horrible to bumble (granted, he's a little pushy, but STILL! )
3) her sister was risking her life trying to save everyone while shes to busy mooning over tigerheart
4) she acts like a hero on the journey to the dam but then is all "WHY me eeh"
5)HOLLYLEAF DESERVED THOSE POWERS NOT DOVE! she was actually worthy of the powers and she's also a far better character than dove
6) she likes tiger, has kits and then when they return, SHE EXCEPTS EVERYTHING TO BE NORMAL AND FOR EVERYBODY TO WELCOME HER BACK. HOLLYLEAF SHOULD HAVE THE THIRD POWER, NOT DOVE ARGH
-Blackberry the RainWing
Totally a mary sue, and I don't want to list any reasons because there will be HUNDREDS of other people listing out stupid Dopewing's flaws and stuff and others.
Why is he apart of every prophecy? The whole five cats from each clan thing, he wasn't apart of. Blood will spill Blood, that was an OMEN, it didn't really make anything bigger. Even the power of three, it was HIS kin. I liked Firestar, but he should've just been the greatly remembered leader if not a little less. He did a lot of things, so he had his spotlight. Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf should've just had the spotlight. Then Dovewing replaces Hollyleaf, and above all, his final act of heroism took the place of someone like Ivypool or (FINALLY) Hollyleaf.
His character was stretched too much. He should've just been the cat to face Tigerstar, like he sorta hoped in Darkest Hour.
Dovewing wasn't perfect but Firestar definitely was
He is boring and Scourge should of killed him so that he wasn't the repeated hero
Firestar does nothing wrong and is part of every prophecy and EVERYBODY loves him. He already had his part in the first series, and other cats need a spotlight to, other than him.
He was the main character but got old okay he saved everyone his time is done as much as I like him move on
Alright. Spottedleaf, you are going DOWN- no, Firestar, you can't stop me. I have the Bill of Rights. *waves in his face* Anyway, here is my list of sins that Spottedleaf has:
First: It was love at first sight. Love at first sight is almost never good. Because it's about LOOKS. He probably smelled her sweet scent (catmint. Firepaw didn't know what catmint was back then. She smelled of catmint.), saw her perfect coat (cats who care about what they look like...*shudder*), and saw her perfect green eyes (Sandstorm has green eyes too...), and thought *SHE'S SO HOT AND I'M GONNA MARRY HER. Bo-ring!
Second: She's. Way. Too. Old. Like, how?! Is an explanation needed for this?! Nah...
Third: She kept trying to steal Firestar away from Sandstorm! Unfair! She should be ashamed of herself! Trying to get Firestar to love a stupid dead cat instead of a living cat who's much more disciplined than her and is overall, just better! At least Sandstorm got to know ...more
That was beautiful! Spottedleaf was as useless as a rock. Even the rock has more personality than her. Even Sandstorm and Bluestar are better than her! - MLPFan
Annoying little brat-All the Spottedleaf supporters think Firestar would dump Sandstorm for Spottedleaf. They use excuses like: "People break up all the time!" So? Firestar and Sandstorm REALLY care for each other, there is no need to break up. I wouldn't dump the person who I went through ups and downs with, had children, and aged with, for my babysitter in PreSchool. - Staruli
I'm just throwing a starter up here. Spottedleaf is a blatant Sue, not only because she's oh-so-sweet and beautiful and young, but she manages to fall in a forbidden relationship with a KITTYPET. In my opinion, a higher-ranking cat shouldn't be as soft on OutClanners, especially in the time when such an idea is so new and strange. Have you seen her do one bad thing? I think not. Her coat is literally IMPOSSIBLE for any cat in the real world to have, much less a full-blooded feral, and she cannot always have a sweet scent all around her.
*weird smell of plants and stuff fills air*
Spottedleaf: oh, I love you Firestar!
Firestar: Uhh, I'm trying to sleep. Can you leave me alone!
Spottedleaf: NO. LOVE YOU.
Firestar: Sorry to break it to you, but Sandstorm is my mate, and we have grandchildren,
Spottedleaf: I wish it could be different! *dramatic exit* - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
She is such a pain! I honestly hated her! She just comes waltzing in and is all like, 'Bramblestar! Pay attention to me! ' (Honestly, if you watch Grease, she is literally Cha-Cha). Bramblestar is all like, 'Well, Squirrelflight and I seem to be over, I guess I can spare a few moments.' Then, at the end, she's like, 'Bye, Bramblestar.' and in her head like, 'Ha, he fell for my trap! He's hopelessly in love with me! ' Then he's like, 'Well, Squirrelflight still seems to have forgotton about me, so bye Jessy, I guess I could have loved you? I still love Squirrelflight' she's like, 'Pft! Of course you could not have loved me, what was I thinking? I guess I should leave.' *runs away sobbing her eyes out* - Lightfang
She is the female version of Firestar, just to make things worse
If you don't know who Jessy is, she's the "brave, bold, sparkling kittypet" from Bramblestar's Storm. Mary-sue senses tingling. Every /single cat/ had talked about what a "perfect Clan cat" she was. She's a natural hunter, picks up fighting super quickly, worms her way into Thunder Clan with ease. What made it even worse was the fact that she was "always right." /Always/? Really? She was very unlike Minty, Daisy, /or/ Frankie (though Daisy joined much much earlier). They were having difficulty accepting the new life while at the same time, trying to adapt to it, but Jessy just suddenly got used to everything on the first try. Even worse, apparently all her ideas were the best. Bramblestar agreed on /all/ of her ideas. Her personality had remained static, intrusive, rude, perfect, and /annoying/.
So much wasted potential! I still haven't read Bramblestar's Storm, but I know quite some information about her. She and Bramblestar maybe could have been together? Honestly, I think it would have been interesting while I was reading Visions of Shadows to find out that Bramble is with a former-kittypet, and that Squirrelflight was okay and moved onto a new tom. I would have liked to see Squirrel with a different ThunderClan tom who actually loved her! Yet, Bramble and Squirrel remained the same from before the whole Holly, Jay, and Lion fiasco started up. And I'm really questioning why? They could have forgiven each other and moved onto new mates, and more people might have liked that! But no! I'm just sort of disappointed with the new plots of the newer books. Sure, the Apprentice's Quest wasn't the absolute worst, but it had a lot of boring things in it. I really would have liked to see Alder and Spark with a new father! But their father is just Bramblestar in that book. I would ...more
Sure, she's not a mary sue, but I can point out all her flaws and list them down for you.
1. She's very favouring, and she often shows signs of favouritism.
2. She doesn't take feelings seriously, and even COMPARED Blossomfall to Briarlight, saying how Briarlight would've hunted while Blossomfall was wasting her time in the tunnels when she wasn't allowed in there.
3. She spoiled her kits. Yeah, I know that they say Blossomfall is an adult already, and that Bumblestripe is pushy to Dovewing, but Blossomfall overreacts because Millie spoiled her WAY too much. And Bumblestripe thinks he can get his way with any cat BECAUSE MILLIE SPOILED HIM. Children aren't born spoiled, they are taught to be.
To be completely honest, Graystripe's pretty much lost all his dignity, first going after a pretty she-cat from another Clan to becoming mates with a rogue kittypet. He's lost all his honour and dignity.
I personally prefer Millie over Silverstream. (Hate Silverstream.) Millie was a great cat, but obviously she has flaws. Look up the definition, whoever put her on here.
Millie isn't a sue in the slightest. She looked nothing like Silverstream, and had to work so hard to get into Thunderclan with Graystripe. He only chose her because Graystripe truely loved her like he did Silverstream. She helped Graystripe, yet didn't always succeed. She was hurt, and I think blinded by getting hit with briars or brambles before arriving in the loner barn with those who helped her and such. Plus, Millie was the one to stand up to the dogs, and knew how to deal with them, but she also has some flaws to pull her weight with her good traits. In my opinion, Graystripe had many reasons to fall in love with her. Millie saved his life on multiple occasions, encouraged him, helped him, and made sure he kept his sanity. She was kind, but also clumsy, and couldn't exactly get hunting or fighting on the first try. Not at all. - Diistortions
I don't believe Millie is a total Sue. After all, not just any cat could bring Graystripe back to the clans in one piece! And, although this might just be me, I admire her for having the courage to face Thunderclan and declare she was going to keep her kittypet name. Usually, I dislike cats that deny a proper clan name upon joining a clan: like Daisy. The only thing I really dislike about Millie is her as a mother. She was fantastic until she had kits, then I started to dislike her a bit. She was a VERY protective mother, which I can respect in most characters, but Millie took it a bit far. I suppose what I really mean is her babying Briarlight, I mean I understand it's horrible what happened to her daughter: but she took it way too far. Instead of accepting that terrible things can happen to warriors, and praising her daughters bravery in going back to try and save an elder, she made things worse for all her kits. Millie first treated Briarlight like she was a poor helpless kit, ...more
Being invincible is a stupid power. It just means you win everything, happy, happy, happy...
Uh... That's his power. Being invincible. Blame the Erins for giving him the power, not making him a bad character. I mean, sometimes he was a bit bland, but he never beat a fox as kit. At least I didn't read that. He and Hollyleaf were saved by Thornclaw's patrol, not by themselves. And Jayfeather almost died. He always had to deal with it, Hollyleaf "died", Cinderheart had trouble accepting his power, I mean... He's not a Gary-Stu.
Ihate the fact that he felt guilty when he killed russet fur, like, so? russetfur was killing firestar first anyway
Here ladies and gentlemen is the BIGGEST Mary Sue in Warriors, Lionblaze! He is literally invincible! When he was just a kit he bet a fox. A fox! He's just a kit and he a fox that's bigger than him and could kill him easily! Thank you Warriors you have won an award for making a canon sue. He can win any fight but lost only once because he wanted to show Cinderheart he could control his powers. He even bet Tigerstar like What the heck! He was still young too and look at Tigerstar. Tigerstar is a senior warrior who is really strong and is still training in Dark Forest. Now he's another reason he's a sue, almost everyone loves him expect for a few. Cinderheart and Heathertail like him! I absolute hate him. I hope they make another book in Warriors where he actually loses a battle not on purpose either.
I don't even get how she would be a mary sue. She didn't get everything she wanted.
Mary Sue means "perfect" even though the entire fandom talks about the cats flaws after calling them a Mary sue. - davis_895263
I don't know what Mary Sue means either but I agree. Only she's like super cool so deal with it
I just think Squirrelflight is like super annoying like she is so rude but she is also super funny when she like bosses the warriors around I think she gets it from Sandstorm not Firestar he is the best.
They totally ruined him...He and Firestar had so much potential... - davis_895263
He's not a Gary Stu in my eyes. I really liked him as Onewhisker, but hated him as Onestar. Also, here's a warrior's joke!
Firestar: I don't like WindClan very much. I give in a Onestar rating! - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
Fu€k Onestar he freaking sucks he should go die in a hole and fade in the place of no stars
Why is he a Mary Sue? He raided a clan that had been his friends (worst betrayal ever) and because of that put his clan in a battle with a no known reason and if I'm not wrong let his cats trespass into another clans territory! Would you call that a Mary Sue?
Firstly, like Hollyleaf, described, Leafpool smashed the warrior code and trampled all over it by being mates with Crowfeather and then having kits. AND THEN SHE WASN'T EVEN EXILED! I know that she blamed herself and she demoted herself to a warrior, but guess what!? Secondly, Mapleshade was a warrior/queen, and when the found out SHE was raising kits from a father from a different Clan, they kicked her AND her kits out. Which is totally unfair because Mapleshade broke two rules, and Leafpool broke four, two from the warrior code and two from the Medicine Cat code.
I'm not a massive fan of leaf pool but I wouldn't consider her as a sue. She isn't the prettiest cat ever (not saying she's ugly just normal looking). Like all medicine cats she is close to star clan just like spotted leaf yellow wing cinder pelt and Jay feather. She has drama and gets upset about cats dying and is very soft hearted not in a good way though. She had one Tom padding after her which was crow but he wasn't exactly madly in love with her. He was just thinking about feather tail and basically compared loads of stuff to her which is why I think that. Leaf pool didn't adapt to being a warrior too well to be honest and the only thing I can really say which makes her special is the fact she found moon stone and has the kits from the power of three and her father is clan leader which isn't really her it's just her Mary Sue kin
She's such a Mary Sue! After she had kits with another cat from another CLAN she didn't get exiled for like at least one moon! Okay okay she wasn't a med cat anymore but then she became a med cat again! She's so perfect and in Leafpools wish Squirrelfloght doesn't want the kits but then feather tail comes down to guilt trip her in to taking the kits! Even star clan treats her like she's a queen! She's the worst!
SHE is such a mary sue not jk she is good but SQuirrelflight is I hate her cause of crowfeather
I've seen this so many times how is she a Mary Sue? Answer is she isn't!
She is brave
She also has flaws. She is insecure about her scars and envious of Cloudtail's relationship with Daisy. INSECURE AND ENVIOUS! Those are flaws. I can't see how anyone can think she's a Mary sue.
Why is she on here she is such a nice character! She is...
Not a mary- sue - Murphypaw
Well, I got sort of mad at her when she helped Cinderpelt, it seemed like she was trying to take Leafpool's place. But now I know she didn't mean to, but like she was so perfect...you know? But I mean she had Cloudtail, and they were so cute. But like, she is 3/4th a mary-sue because she just seemed so perfect when Daisy came along, like Cloudtail isn't a idiot. He loves Brightheart, and would never give her up...like what the crap Brightheart but I mean she understood but like still...…..
Mary sue. Everyone loves her because she lost an eye. She overreacted too, cinderpelt's leg looked horrid, but did she complain? Nope. Crookedstar's mother abandoned him because of his looks, but he learned to cope with it on his own. Brightheart needed Cloudtail to tell her she was pretty. Whats worse, she's super overrated JUST BECAUSE SHE LOST AN EYE.
Dude, she lost an eye, and an ear, is blind and deaf on one side of her face, and don't forget, her crush at the time was killed, at the same time the side of her face got murdered. - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
How the hell is Silverstream in this list? Sure, she's pretty and nice and saves Graystripe, but let's list out her flaws:
- She's pretty annoyed easily
- She's a brat
- She doesn't really respect people
So yeah, those are some pretty crappy flaws already. And I personally like Silverstream more than Millie. To be honest, I feel like Silverstream saves Graystripe just so it wasn't a hassle if someone spotted her ignoring a drowning cat who didn't know how to swim. Plus, it was leaf-bare. Then I would say that she probably hated Graystripe at first, but then Graystripe possibly pressured her into a relationship, which ended with her dying by bleeding to death.
Frick yes! She was a complete brat to her father! I don't hate Silverstream, but honestly, she is starting to get SUPER annoying, I LOVE Millie and Silverstream is just an annoying, bratty, Mary Sue! Goddamit Spottedleaf is better than her! definitely a Mary Sue!
She's kinda overratted and snobby, seemingly perfect. Mary-Sue for sure.
She maybe is a little bit of a Mary Sue, but to be honest, I love Silverstream's character. - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
Ugh he abounded his clan when they needed him the most and returned when it suited him, and his mate dovewing is a Big marry sue One time she said ivypool was jealous of her and she quats "no wonder hollyleaf isn't part of the prophecy she killied a cat! "
He seems really Mary sue. He seems like always the perfect warrior, who never does anything wrong.
I hope Tigerheartstar faceplants himself into moldy lasagna
Arrogant annoying jerk -Firestorm
Why is Star Flower 13th on this list? She should be 2, or 1! She's a total Mary-Sue, and I was pissed off when she tore out Thunder's heart and trampled all over it by being mates with his father. HIS FATHER, out of ALL cats! It reminds me of Berrynose, Poppyfrost and Honeyfern's relationship. Once Honeyfern dies, Berrynose straight-up hooks up with his mate's sister. That's wrong. Secondly, she goes all full-blown drama queen mode when her father dies, then becomes mates with some cats who really wanted her dad to die? Seriously, Clear Sky is like 40 moons, I'm guessing Thunder 20 at that time, and Star Flower somewhere around Thunder's age. HOW THE HELL WOULD SHE BECOME CLEAR SKY'S MATE AND HAD HIS KITS!? In my opinion, that is simply disgusting.
Star Flower should be first, NOT DOVEWING! Star Flower is oh so pretty and innocent but she's the most obnoxious cat EVER! And what kind of cat has that weird flower shape in their eye? I AM SO GLAD VIOLET DAWN CAME! WHY WAS THUNDER MOONING OVER STAR FLOWER? SHE'S THE WORST CAT IN THE HISTORY OF WARRIORS, HANDS DOWN!
"hey thunder I made you love me and I took your heart but oh we just were never meant to be together so imma leave you for your daddy"
UGH. STAR FLOWER. Please do not mention her in my presence. (Goes into room to scream)
I honestly have zero idea how Goldenflower got here. Like what? I'm actually confused - Juniper
She wasnt a really mary sue mary sue
Goldenflower has her own fair share of flaws, who ever wrote this can't see that.
Pluse she is one of the only peple who has reason behind hateing her (former) mate.
Honestly, why, just why?
He's not a Gary Stu. He's only killed a few cats, and the only reason he's able to do that is because of the fact that he has dog tooth claws instead of cat claws. Really, he's pretty weak. - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
Can I just say this
I HATE SCOURGE, HATE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT I'D KILL THIS DUDE IF I WAS A WARRIOR CAT, ALSO, I MADE A STORY ABOUT ME KILLING SCOURGE ACTUALLY
The reason is he's overrated and stupidly weak. People see him as strong but he's only killed like 3 cats and that's nothing compared to Sol, mapleshade, and Tigerstar if not more. They're all giving him awkward looks like 'that's all you can do? ' - DerpaHerpaMerpa
Why does everyone like Scourge? He is a stupid jerk who kills people and everyone likes him. Really?
Um HELLO?! SCOURGE IS NOT A GAY STY! Think anything about him you want, hate me
Why is he on here! - Murphypaw
What did WHITESTORM do? Like seriously that is unfair! - BloodFang
I love him but... total Gary-Stu
WHAT THE HELL - Scarletfall
Brook, you and your tribe hold Stormfur captive. You're not... Just...
HOW CAN BEOOK JUST FALL IN LOVE LIKE THAT? - poppystar
Once again, a cat added because someone didn't like her, not because she's a Mary Sue.
Ugh. Brook should go die in a hole. - Scarletfall
I don't like her :3
I love Jayfeather, but he is honestly WAYY overrated. I mean, why do people like him THIS much! He's just a clone of Crowfeather, but without all the emotional tradgedy, drama, and mistakes in his life. definitely a Mary Sue, just the Mary Sue version of Crowfeather. I love Jayfeather, but seriously, even Spottedleaf is less than a Mary Sue, I love Spottedleaf
He's a cliche emo teenager. He always complains about how Leafpool and Crowfeather are his parents, and how he's blind. He's got blue eyes, one of the worst things you can do to a cat unless it's common in their breed. A siamese would have blue eyes, but Jayfeather is a silver tabby mix if I remember correctly. NO SIAMESE!
Like the previous post states, he is constantly challenged by the narrative of the story. He's clumsy and a grump, constantly snappy and has a tragic backstory. His mother didn't want him, and his father is kind of a prick in my opinion. Almost 99% of the time he is completely emo and can never be happy. The only time he ever screwed up is when he through a STICK out of all things into the lake and almost drown Firestar. Wow. You wanted him to cry and whine and mourn after Flametail's death? NOPE! To emo to have feelings like that! Even though Jayfeather liked Flametail as in friendship, he just can't mourn over someone from SHADOWCLAN of all things. Plus, he ...more - Diistortions
And why wouldn't you have a blind cat with flaws in a prophecy? Because everyone has to be powerful and flawless and the literal living definitions of Gary Stu/Mary Sues? - SnowyOwl
Dude, Jayfeather is just this weak, blind child. The greatest love of his life was a stick. Honestly. - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
Jayfeather is always challenged by the narrative, and that's the true definition of "Mary-Sue" or "Gary-Stu". What, did you want Jayfeather to weep for days when Flametail died, and be traumatized? He has Clanmates to treat, you know, he couldn't grieve about ShadowClan's medicine cat forever. He plenty of times falls/trips/walks into things, like in Sunrise when he walked into the brambles, Eclipse he got scratched by a thorn, and more. He's snappy and moody, and that's not being perfect. How would you feel if you were blind and all you had was a blind elder also to share feelings with? I mean, he was annoying sometimes, but still, but his blindness really is tragic, and he never had a "perfect life".
Yup, Bramblestar is a Gary-stu. HAHAhaha... This is officially the stupidest list I have ever seen. Squirrelflight was never even described as pretty! He doesn't even have that many friends! Feathertail and Stormfur are gone. Crowfeather's returned to his prickly old self. Ashfur pretty much backstabbed him by working with Hawkfrost, claiming he was not trustworthy, and insisting Leafpool made up a StarClan sign. He wasn't even temporary deputy! Graystripe was officially pronounced dead, they even had a funeral. Brambleclaw was officially deputy. It's like a deputy deciding to retire. If for some reason the deputy wants to be a warrior again, he's not going to be reinstated as deputy.
Bramblestar was tempted to kill his own leader. Gary-stu? NOPE. He was the son of Tigerstar, and had to struggle to prove his loyalty to his own Clan just because of his looks. Gary-stu? NOPE. He and Squirrelflight argued a lot. Gary-stu? For the third time, nope. Even though he knew Tigerstar was ...more
Wait a minute... to all you people who think Bramblestar is a Gary-stu, maybe take a second to think... Ah yes, trained in the DARK FOREST, Had an EVIL FATHER, and in case you didn't know, Mary-su's and Gary-stu's are supposed to mean "A CAT THAT HAS NO FLAWS"
Graystripe is the rightful leader of ThunderClan! I said it! Graystar for life! - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
I HATE BRAMBLESTAR! Such a Gary Stu! He LEFT SQUIRRELFLIGHT for being loyal to her sister! And I bet he would do the same for Tawnypelt. Bramblestar complains that Squirrelflight is accusing his half-brother and SHE WAS RIGHT! And Brambleclaw bossed her around and bullied her just because he was deputy and he could. BO - Swiftdawn
Basically the only reason why some people view him as a Gary Stu is that his mother completely ignored Crookedstar and gave all the attention to Oakheart. - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
When I was reading Crookedstar's promise, I got a bit jealous that oak heart got all the love. He was doing great in his app training as well. He is OK, he just makes me mad! - BloodFang
Okay so he IS a LITTLE bit of a Mary sue... I don't hate him, I don't have too many problems with him, I just wish Rainflower would have treated Crookedjaw better oof - WarriorcatKitty
You could say he's a Mary Sue for one reason... Crookedstar got his injury his mother completely ignored his brother and paid attention to him only.
How is Feathertail a Mary Sue or a weakling? She had argued with Stormfur in defense of her relationship with Crowpaw(who was from a different Clan, don't get me wrong though, Crow x Feather is one my favorite ships). She most definitely is not weak. She sacrificed herself to kill Sharptooth, a mountain lion 2 times her size, when an entire Tribe couldn't do it.
I can sorta agree with this. I've never really thought she was a Mary-Sue, but I don't like her. I've always favored Stormfur. I hated how she would argue with Stormfur when the sweet lil bean Storm was just trying to protect her and help her not beak the warrior cat's code. I felt betrayed by the author(s? ) of the series when they made Feathertail all of a sudden the new main cat of the prophecy. - Mossglide
Feathertail defense rant.
Ok, if you really think she's weak or a mary sue, re read the books. Do you think this would be a Mary sue!? Her mother died, she argued with her brother, Stormfur all the time, loved a cat younger than her, and than she died young, and was never able to start a family. Feathertail lived a short life. You really think that would be a Mary sue? We can see that she has many flaws. She loved a cat from a diffrent clan and didn't let her brother help her. A mary sue would never do that. Feathertail is simply awesome.Stop calling this poor cat a mary sue. And by the way SHE A WEAKLING DIISTORTIONS!
Well, there is a steep hill argumement on if she's a mary sue or not. I think she is. She's described as kind, pretty, gentle, a weakling, and looks a lot like her mother, who could have easily been described as the prettiest she in the clan. She attempted a forbidden relationship, while knowing her mother died from a forbidden relationship. Ignoring tradgedy in favor of instinct is pretty stupid for such a loyal clan cat, and it doesn't make since either. She was always so nice, but then argues when Stormfur and kills Sharptooth. Logic? I agree that she's a stereotypical girl from the 40's. - Diistortions
How does loving three cats make Crowfeather, Crowfeather of all cats, a Gary-stu?!?
He's the exact opposite of a Gary-Stu seriously this list is getting ridiculous
Depressed emo cat? Yeah, he's TOTALLY a Mary Sue. - Willowfur
He loved three cats Nightcloud Leafpool and Feathertail.
Don't know this character and for sure is not canon, but she does sound like a mary sue - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
I am so very sure that she is not canon
Gleamstar. Everything said.
Gleam who now - Juniper
He killed his father, and then was blinded, then killed by his mother. I hated him, but he was not a Gary Stu. - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
Yay brokenstar oh and watch warriors epic rap battles brokenstar and mapleshade(are you hungry have a treat its from your mummy-mapleshade)
Brokenstar huh..Ho9nestly he got his eyes scratched so hard he was blind stop picking on some poor character.
This is his description:dark coloured Tom with chipped ears loots of scars personality:cruel blood thirsty cat murdered kits banished his medicine cat drove out a whole clan! Does that sound like a Mary Sue to you?
I feel so bad for Unicornheart! She had SUCH a tragic story! Unicornheart is NOT Mary Sue! She is just so beautiful XD
by the way this comment is obviously a joke
People! Stop posting non-canonical cats! This is for the original series! - Juniper
This cat is nonexistent in canon Warriors, but vote here if you just want to comment on everything.
LOL This warrior does not even exist I mean I'm 100 precent sure most cats don't even know what IS a unicorn... - Gingerbobo
Ivypool is not a Mary-sue she kept risking her life while Dovewing sat around whining.
A main trait of mary sues are that they have no flaws. What kind of MARY SUE is mad so she tries to be a good warrior and ends up spying on cats so evil they weren't allowed in starclan. she is not a mary sue at all. 0% a mary sue
No. Ivypool had her share of flaws, too. She's honestly one of my favorite warrior cats. She risked her life in THE DARK FOREST and she kept her feelings hidden. Sure, she was a bit nasty sometimes but she turned out a hero. She was so brave! She even killed a cat to remain loyal to thunderclan so that the dark forest thought she was loyal to them! She was creeped out to the bone, yet she still went into the dark forest! Is this enough?
IVYPOOL IS ONE OF THE BEST CATS!
I didn't like her at first. I thought she was being mean to Dovewing. Dovewing too. OKAY HOLD UP. Dovewing had a lot a of trouble too. family troubles and mate troubles. So BOTH OF THEM ARE NOT MARY SUES!
Ivypool and Dovewing have grown to be the best. So YEAH."
Uh... you mean Dovewing right? Ivypool spied on cat hell from her dreams. She was a hero. She was terrified by the Dark Forest cats but still continued spying for her Clan. She was loyal, and an overall good cat. (by the way, I totally ship her and Blossomfall. Ivy x Blossom is great.)
There is no way she was a mary sue! Sure, she came to terms with her mother's death a lot faster then Bluestar: but she isn't perfect. Honestly, my only guess for why she is here is either because people favored Bluestar or because some just didn't like her mate (Thistleclaw.) I suppose her death was the reason he turned evil, creating an evil Tigerstar: who beat up Tiny and then invited bigger Tiny (Scourge) to come attack the clans. He also made almost every cat in the forest pregnant, resulting in half-rogue kits (one of which messed stuff up in the lake territory).. so yeah, her love with Thistleclaw did pretty much screw the four clans over, but where would the story be without it?
Um, how is she a Mary-Sue? Some people...
Snowfur's not exactly a Mary Sue; She's just a bit... Annoying.
For one thing, she did have flaws! She loved Thistleclaw for Starclan's sake. That, though, doesn't make her a Mary Sue. Need I remind you, a Mary Sue is a character that is PERFECT! Snowfur isn't perfect.
However, I do agree that she was a bit unpleasant. I remeber one scene where Bluefur was trying to explain to her sister about the prophecy Goosefeather gave her. What does Snowfur do?
"Just ignore him..." she says
Then she ignores Bluefur's concern.
"I think Thistleclaw will be a great father! " she says, comepletly ignoring an important prophecy her sister is trying to explain to her!
Honestly, she was just too busy mooning over Thistleclaw...
Snowfur, SNOWFUR! How dare you! Just look at the pic and you won't need any more input! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
No, Dovewing is a sue, Bluestar is a broken child with a sweet heart. I love her so much!
What? She went insane, died saving fire heart and she gave up her kits! She isn't a Mary Sue! Maybe like 10% BUT OTHERWISE NO! Mary Sues are totally perfect with no flaws. Bluestar loses her mind, doesn't cope well with grief and at times can be arrogant
Anyone who thinks Bluestar or yellow fang should be in this list, let alone before daisy,
GO AWAY IN A HOLE AND NEVER COME OUT! This must be a mistake daisy is total Mary but Bluestar and yellowfang are my favorite characters so this must be a mistake
How is she a Mary Stu...
I truly don't get why people sympathize with this character. He acted like a huge jerk to Squirrelflight after their "breakup", he tried to kill his leader and three kits, and after all that, he gets to go to Starclan because he just "loved too much". Do you want to know who did basically the same thing as him and went to the Dark Forest/Place of no Stars? Mapleshade. If another cat from the same clan can do the same (the only difference is not successfully killing any cats) and go to Starclan because "oh he is so misunderstood and in pain and he loved too much", then that is a perfect sign of a Gary Stu cat.
I like Ashfur and all but, I'm not gonna disagree! He was so unkind to Squirrelflight after they fell out of love, he tried to kill not just the leader, but three helpless kits and he got a ticket on the hogwarts expr-oops, wrong book- Starclan express (from platform 9 and 3 quarters :P) because he "Loved too much."
And to that one person, your right! Mapleshade (my favorite warrior, by the way) did the same thing and went to the dark forest! It just enrages me when I break it down and focus on each little part because, at the end of the day, total Gary Stu! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
How come ash fur got into star clan when thistle claw didn't. At least thistle claw didn't try to kill loads of cats then complain he loved too much
Before you go whining your butts off, he got a free ticket to Starclan after almost killing 5 cats. ALL BECAUSE HE "LOVED TOO MUCH." He was too emo, had a good name and appearance, and in the end got what he wanted. To ruin the Three's, Leafpool's, Squrrielflight's, Brambleclaw's, and Crowfeather's lives. He was, indirectly, a gary sue.
Well duh... this is actually the only cat on the list that actually is a Mary-Sue, right down to her name.
Nope I don't get this...
HA HA Haha...
(By the way I'm just gonna stael this a use it as a code name for Jessy) - Murphypaw
I can see why you may think that - ILuv2ReadAndWrite
Wagontiger is pretty nice in the books to be honest, I don't know why he's on here.
Everybody vote this we need to get it to the top of the list for all to see
Wagontiger is best boi how dare you put him on this list!?! Go to the calm down corner. -frostfrost and friends
(Sigh) Wagontiger gets all the hate for her name, doesn't she? I've searched her up and all I get is negativity. Her mate, StarStar, has a bad name and a MarySue personality too! And it's also probaly because she's in ClanClan, wich their founder, Duckstar, named because he couldn't think of anything else.
I looked at this thinking that maybe there would be a character that was a Mary Sue, but then thinking about each character, they all had their flaws and their good things.
People, this one is here becuase there are no Mary sues in warriors. We have to make one up, and what better name is their than STARSTARSTAR for a Mary sue? - WarriorcatKitty
Heh. Awful name, but not a Mary Sue because Starstarstar doesn't exist in Warriors canon.
This fake cat is attacking thetoptens once again! - IcetailofWishClan
How? Briarlight had a horrible life, although not really to horrible. She thinks as herself as useless all the time here's an example.
Jayfeather: "So no appetite, eh? "
Briarlight: "What? "
Jayfeather: "You might be able to fool Millie, but not me. Do you really think it's fair to make her worry just because you've gotten it into your head that you don't deserve food because you can't hunt? "
Briarlight: "What are you talking about? "
Jayfeather: "I know you think you're being fair. But it's not that simple."
She's starving herself because she feels like she's useless. She's almost the opposite (I'm saying almost because she has some good traits to like every character) of perfect to she's self concision,nervous, and miserable? Sound overpowered and perfect to you? - Dawnlight
...PLEASEE! Briarlight is the opposite of a Mary Sue. The Non-sue or something. Could somebody please tell me how getting squished by a falling tree, not being able to walk again and still not losing hope is being a Mary Sue. CAN I GET AN AMEN? - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
OKAY> I was so sad when she died. I can't imagine life with out my HAPPY Briarlight. Put Blossomfall on this, or a whiny list. Not Mary Sue.
She is more like an anti-sue! She is anything but a Mary Sue. She HAS FLAWS: broken spine, miserable, and yeah
Ewww I haaattteee hawkfrost
Despite for being evil he is every boy in school I used to like. - Murphypaw
Erm, not at all! Hawkfrost (despite being evil) still was not a Gary Stu! Plus, whatever drove him evil (sorry, I haven't finished that series yet) must have been bad, real bad! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
He was a really disappointing villain but not a Gary stu
He's not a gary stu.. He was manipulated by his own father.
What the *. Why is Mosskit on here, she is my favorite Warrior cat I just have no words to describe my rage right now. Take this off NOW.
We know literally nothing about her personality. She's a KIT. So she died early. So what? Is that why she got onto this list? How did she get onto this list. Anyone who thinks that Mosskit is a Mary Sue needs mental help. - Scarletfall
What the fuuu-- she doesn't even survive for longer than a month - Juniper
Just because she died early doesn't make her a mary sue. - IcetailofWishClan
She's supposed to be a sue, if you're talking about Starkit from Starkit's Prophecy. It was a joke story/troll story. She's still full on sue, though.
What do you mean she is the best character - Juniper
Leader name: sTaRsTaR
not canon - Scarletfall
Very evil, she killed Spottedleaf and every cat except Bluestar who Crookedstar loved at all. - Willowfur
Evil, but not a total Mary-sue, besides being mates with Appledusk from RiverClan. He left her anyway.
I'm not just saying this because she's my favorite warrior (she is) but No! No,no,no,no,no honey! Just, just no!
Mapleshade, watched her own three kit drown in front of her eyes and then her mate wasn't bothered to save them (she could do better than appledusk, anyway) and killed 3 kits. Like, opposite of a sue!
#MAPLESHADEISTHEBESTWARRIORWHOEVERLIVED! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
Please tell me I’m seeing things! I’m not? ok, I want a private chat with whoever put this on here! Like, seriously. I mean, she did kill some cats like Appledusk, Ravenwing, I think she killed Frecklewish, (why not have gone for Reedshine while your at it! I hate reedshine! ) But, she was distraught and hallucinating. Cut her some slack, guys - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
She is a Mary Sue because when she talked to firestar, if he said anything about another cat she would storm off and not talk to him until he BEGGED for forgiveness - sydneyhelget
Someone was a Spottedleaf x Firestar shipper or something shipper and they decided to post Sandstorm.. Look.. Sand x Fire is staying, why?
Cinder x Fire:
Sandstorm never stole Fireheart away, so shut it down please. Firestar never noticed, not because he was a jerk, but because he saw Cinder as a sister, their relationship was totally platonic. He felt bad when Cinderpelt got ran over not because he loved her, but because he was her mentor, and was supposed to be watching over her.
Spotted x Fire:
Fire had lust for Spotted, they barely talked, on about 3 times before Spotted got killed by Clawface. I know they kinda loved each other.. But after Firestar met Sandstorm and fell in love, he was more mature and realized that their love wasn't real, and Spottedleaf had to realize that in Starclan. Spottedleaf's acceptance was when she saved Sandstorm from Mapleshade by sacrificing herself. I think it was her last gift to Firestar once and for all, and then she ...more
To that one person, I don't think that Cinderpelt really loved Firestar that way...All the authors said was that she loved him, but that doesn't really mean lust, either. I don't think that a 6 month old kitten could be old enough to feel that way,(they do feel emotions, maybe not the same as humans, but...) even though they can be force-bred.(which, of course, isn't happening.) HOWEVER, Sandstorm gets defeated, has flaws, and GAVE BIRTH TO LEAFPOOL, the worst character in that thing!
Sandstorm isn't a Mary-Sue! How could you say that? She was the best choice for a mate because:
1) This relationship is allowed.
2) The couple has more development. Spottedleaf and Cinderpelt only loved him after like...3 minutes.
3) Sandstorm isn't a stalker; unlike Spottedleaf, that is.
It's not canon. But, I don't think any of these cats on this list are Mary sues. Maybe Billystorm a little bit. A LITTLE BIT. But other than that, I can't vote for anyone. Except for this made up kitten who I shall now say is perfect and does everything right and never gets hurt and is a perfect Hunter and fighter and is super nice and gets along with everbody ans is always a kitten. THAT'S A MARYSUE LOL. - WarriorcatKitty
Unless we're talking about Moonflower, then it's not canon. - IcetailofWishClan
I don't think this is canon.
It's not canon.
He isn't a Gary Stu at all! One of the defining traits of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu is that they have no real flaws, and that they power through the plot with nearly no loss, or with excess angst. And as awful as Clear Sky's evilness is,the angst isn't too excessive, and Grey Wing is clearly hurt, damaged, and in other ways thrown around by the plot.
Mates: Turtle Tail (Formerly), Slate
Sons: White Tail, Black Ear
Daughter: Silver Stripe
Mother: Quiet Rain
Brothers: Clear Sky
Sister: Fluttering Bird
Clan: Shadow Clan (Formerly), Wind Clan - CreamstripeOfButterClan
How is Gray Wing a Gary stu? He was an amazing cat! - IcetailofWishClan
He is the opposite of a mary sue. He's a selfish, horrible monster who let his kits drown and blamed his mate so he could stay popular in his clan. - Juniper
I'm not really sure what to think about this one! Anyway, whatever you thought, Mapleshade could do better! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
Um...we see him all of three or four times. And he only appears in the one novella. How am I supposed to know? - Scarletfall
Oh and, by doing a bit of math (SKRA), I've figured out he was LITERALLY CHEATING on Mapleshade and Reedshine, having two mates at once! - Juniper
She has a personal army. The Thousand Kits of Ferncloud. Toootal Sue.
(I'm joking, don't get woshed) - Juniper
I vote for you Ferncluld, people hate you just beause you had to much kits but I mean your loyal, cute, smart and a good warrior! - Gingerbobo
Total Mary-Sue. Beautiful eyes and pelt, has one of the strongest toms in the Clan, constantly getting...um...laid by Dustpelt and basically a living pregnancy machine. Before you hate me, I must remind you that I have my opinion and you have yours, and I totally respect that. I just think that she’s kinda gross. She had, like, half the kits who live in StarClan. Sorry! Please don’t hate me! ;-;
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH! THIS LIST IS PURE SPITE! Yellowfang gave up her kit, her clan and (eventually) her life! She gave Firestar the life of compassion, which makes sense because she's a nice cat! Three best traits of Yellowfang:
3. (This is so me! :P) Rebel! 1
Sorry but if you want to discuss why she's a Mary Sue, I'll be waiting! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
Since when is Yellowfang anything even remotely resembling a Mary Sue? - Scarletfall
I want to ban whoever thinks she should be here.
I am clickin out now. - sydneyhelget
So annoying and ditzy in my opinion. such a mary sue, but I don't wish she didn't exits becasue then there would be no Crookedstar or Oakheart
Reedshine is dumb.
EWW! OLAIN ANNOYING
Now, I haven't finished Dawn Of The Clan's yet, but Clear Sky, to me, doesn't seem like a Gary Stu. He might just be on this list because of hate, or because people don't like him, but to be honest, Clear Sky just doesn't seem like a Gary Stu. However, as I said before, I haven't finished Dawn Of The Clans yet, so I'll have to wait and see what happens! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the only reason he is here is because people don't like him. Which is understandable, Clear Sky is shown to be a villain in most of the Dawn of the Clans books. But he is DEFINITELY not a perfect or idealized character. I mean, hello? He lost his first love and his unborn kits, had to go on to take charge of a whole new group of cats and become one of the most hated cats in the forest, find another mate only to have her run off to twolegplace with his unborn kits and die: leaving only one survivor, then he ruins his chances of ever being a father to his only son by making a grief-driven decision to push him away. The list goes on, I mean honestly: who would want his life?
Clear Sky fights and kills to get his way. In Moth Flight's Vision, he blinds Willow Tail which kills her. He busts up Wind Runner's leg. He claws cats if they don't agree.
Misty (A mother! )
He also has had three mates.
Right after Bright Stream died, and Storm came along, he was mates with her. No thoughts on Bright Stream. Then, when Storm dies, he sees Star Flower and accuses his son of jealousy. No thoughts on Bright Stream or Storm.
Abandons Thunder, and goes
" oh well "
Mates: Bright Stream (Formerly), Storm (Formerly), Star Flower
Sons: Thunder, Tiny Branch
Daughters: Flower Foot, Dew Petal
Mother: Quiet Rain
Brothers: Grey Wing, Jagged Peak
Sister: Fluttering Bird
Clan: Sky Clan - CreamstripeOfButterClan
Well, she abandoned her kit, but she is perfect. A lot of toms pad after her...
Except for abandoning her kit, she's a total sue! Toms pad after her everywhere, she's a fierce warrior, and she created to super successful kits, even if she didn't want one of them. - Swiftdawn
She's actually the exact opposite. She abandoned one of her own kits. So she's not a Sue. - IcetailofWishClan
She is nt perfect, but she is a sue
Yellowfang's unbelievable grandmother
Moving on with life is such a terrible crime, clearly. It was definitely better for Berrynose to permanently live in the past, alone and sad, instead of being with Poppyfrost. Oh, yes. I see your logic. - SnowyOwl
Oh hey, would you look at that! My sister died! Oh well, I'mma take her mans now! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
Heh, my sister died so now I can take her husband... oh hi Berrynose let's have kits!
'Oh, no! My sister is dead well I'mma steal her mate! What?! He still loves her?! DISGRACE! Now I'mma go to the moonpool and let Breezepelt kill me cause he has feelings for a cat he won't see in another billion moons just like basically EVERY OTHER CAT WHO HAS A NEW MATE AFTER THERE FIRST ONE DOES! (Graystripe, Crowfeather, Tallstar's mother, Firestar...)' MARY-SUE FOR YOU?
Her name sounds like a Mary Sue but she's anything but. It wasn't her choice to be called Princess just like it wasn't my cats choice to be called Harry, but names don't define a person. My name is OceanBreeze, but you don't just gotta judge that I like the ocean. I do but still. My actual name is foreign (actually it's Irish) but like, don't just assume that makes me Irish. I am but still! I could write a whole book on why you shouldn't go judging people on their names but in stead I'm gonna go raid the money jar, because if I had a dollar for every time I seen a cat that doesn't deserve to be on this list I would practically own the warrior's series by now! - oceanbreezetheawesomewarrior
We don't know that much about Princess to know her overall traits. Along with that we got very little about her personality to know whether or not but for now I say no to the whole Mary Sue thing!
She appears all of six times in the book. SIX TIMES. And none of the encounters were all that long. How are we supposed to know enough about her to decide this or not? - Scarletfall
So what if her name is Princess. Her name doesn't reflect any of her traits. She didn't even get enough book time to show if she was a Sue at all.