Biggest Mary Sues of the Warrior Cat UniverseI'm sure we've all thought at least one character in the Warriors universe was a Mary Sue. In case you don't know, a Mary Sue (or Gary Stu, for male characters) is a character in the story that angsts about everything, is utterly perfect, and imbalanced compared to ther other characters. If you would like a more in-depth explanation, Google it.
Now, a Mary Sue (or heck, even Kitty Sue) is NOT just a character you don't like. Don't put characters up here unless you truly think they're unbalanced and either too generic/predictable or too overpowered. OCs will not be allowed. Feel free to put in plenty of cats, but I wouldn't recommend trying with the less well-known ones (such as cats in Codes of the Clans), as those are likely to just collect dust at the bottom of the list. Finally, please don't vote on a cat just because you think they shouldn't be called a Mary Sue. I may be new to this website and all, but I know that upvoting your favorite character to be recognized as an unbalanced one wouldn't be among the best of ideas.
Now, let the Listing Games begin, and may the odds be ever in the favor of your submitted cat!
The Top Ten
Dovewing is just very annoying in my opinion and she is nothing like her sister, though it breaks my heart because her and Ivypool would've been the best twins ever! And Dovewing just feels like a replacement of Hollyleaf, it didn't seem fair. Out of the blue she had these super-natural seeing powers that she probably would've told someone about before and not to mention Tigerheart and Dovewing are just an annoying couple. It doesn't seem right, not just because their both from another clan cause I have nothing against that, it's just, it doesn't seem to fit. And when she broke up with Tigerheart and went to Bumblestripe my mind went, UGH! Because Bumblestripe could do way better than her, I don't ship Dovewing with anyone and she's just an annoying character in general, she is a total mary-sue and I have no idea why people favor her.
The first book back seemed all too sudden. Lion blaze and Jay feather found their replacements without even trying. Dove wing felt too much like a perfect version of holly leaf which I didn't like too much. The first book she even went on a journey to save the clans and she is seen like such a hero throughout the series but whines too much on how her life it's fair. "Oh it's not fair two cats love me"! She always whines. "My life is so unfair I'm so important". She didn't say this but it's exactly what she is saying overall. I think the Erin's got caught up in how much they love dove wing and began to write only positive things and when she does make mistake it's because she is worrying about someone else
Dovewing has three toms padding after her and she is part of a prophecy that says she will save the clans!
All through OOtS all she did was worry about her precious Tigerheart and be absolutely horrible to poor Bumblestripe. During this her sister is risking her life every night against the greatest villains in the entire series.
Although Dovewing has many, many big flaws, the Erins write it in such a way to make Dovewing simply seem like a poor, confused, little she-cat with too much pressure on her!
I don't really think Dove is a Mary-Sue because she actually DID have flaws.
Why is he apart of every prophecy? The whole five cats from each clan thing, he wasn't apart of. Blood will spill Blood, that was an OMEN, it didn't really make anything bigger. Even the power of three, it was HIS kin. I liked Firestar, but he should've just been the greatly remembered leader if not a little less. He did a lot of things, so he had his spotlight. Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf should've just had the spotlight. Then Dovewing replaces Hollyleaf, and above all, his final act of heroism took the place of someone like Ivypool or (FINALLY) Hollyleaf.
His character was stretched too much. He should've just been the cat to face Tigerstar, like he sorta hoped in Darkest Hour.
Anyone noticed that this cat almost ALWAYS made the best decisions for his clan after the first series? He led the attack on BloodClan, too. He was also in like, TWO major prophecies, one being even older than the clans. Firestar's personality seemed to be calm, peaceful, respective, brave, loyal... Totally a Gary Stu
Lots of people think Firestar is a Gary Stu but I don't think he is. I know what you guys are thinking.
But he's part of almost every prophecy
So what! In the first series they needed a main character and Rusty was the best kittypet for it. In the new prophecy he wasn't in the Blood will spill Blood prophecy. And when they found out he was the fourth cat, that didn't change anything. He didn't even have a power. So there.
He always made the best decisions
No he didn't. In the new prophecy he was a jerk and he let kittypets into the Clan. I do think he should've let Stormfur and Brook stay but Daisy. That useless kittypet wasn't needed at all. And as a warrior/apprentice he always broke the warrior code. So there.
3 cats loved him
Yes but 1 of them never revealed it, 1 was a creepy stalker and the other one was his perfect match. So there.
I HATE Firestar! he's so annyoing and he was a dumb leader! Whitestorm should have been leader!V 85 Comments
Alright. Spottedleaf, you are going DOWN- no, Firestar, you can't stop me. I have the Bill of Rights. *waves in his face* Anyway, here is my list of sins that Spottedleaf has:
First: It was love at first sight. Love at first sight is almost never good. Because it's about LOOKS. He probably smelled her sweet scent (catmint. Firepaw didn't know what catmint was back then. She smelled of catmint.), saw her perfect coat (cats who care about what they look like...*shudder*), and saw her perfect green eyes (Sandstorm has green eyes too...), and thought *SHE'S SO HOT AND I'M GONNA MARRY HER. Bo-ring!
Second: She's. Way. Too. Old. Like, how?! Is an explanation needed for this?! Nah...
Third: She kept trying to steal Firestar away from Sandstorm! Unfair! She should be ashamed of herself! Trying to get Firestar to love a stupid dead cat instead of a living cat who's much more disciplined than her and is overall, just better! At least Sandstorm got to know ...more
That was beautiful! Spottedleaf was as useless as a rock. Even the rock has more personality than her. Even Sandstorm and Bluestar are better than her! - MLPFan
I'm just throwing a starter up here. Spottedleaf is a blatant Sue, not only because she's oh-so-sweet and beautiful and young, but she manages to fall in a forbidden relationship with a KITTYPET. In my opinion, a higher-ranking cat shouldn't be as soft on OutClanners, especially in the time when such an idea is so new and strange. Have you seen her do one bad thing? I think not. Her coat is literally IMPOSSIBLE for any cat in the real world to have, much less a full-blooded feral, and she cannot always have a sweet scent all around her.
Spottedleaf is so annoying. She has practically no flaws, she's pretty, polite, perfect, has all her herbs memorized and has a deep connection with star clan like a good little medicine cat should. Boring! I like Sandstorm much better. She does have a lot of good qualities like being one of the best hunters in the clan but she has negative qualities to balance in out like being headstrong and unwilling to accept help. She's a bully at first but when Fireheart saves her, her gratitude starts blossoming into affection, but she's still hesitant to change completely, giving them much more time to bond as friends, and more time for Fireheart to realize he loves her, strengthening their relationship once it begins. It's a way more realistic and enjoyable process than love at first sight which is solely based on looks, and what Firepaw and Spottedleaf had.
Why are you guys so mouse-brained!?!?!?! You wouldnÂ't know Spottedleaf is amazing if it came up to you, slapped you in the face, and spat on your face! Not being mean, just farsighted...She is beautiful and amazing! Arghh! *SIGHS LOUDLY* If only some people wouldnÂ't be so nearsighted, Spottedleaf wouldnÂ't feel so bad about herself...V 77 Comments
If you don't know who Jessy is, she's the "brave, bold, sparkling kittypet" from Bramblestar's Storm. Mary-sue senses tingling. Every /single cat/ had talked about what a "perfect Clan cat" she was. She's a natural hunter, picks up fighting super quickly, worms her way into Thunder Clan with ease. What made it even worse was the fact that she was "always right." /Always/? Really? She was very unlike Minty, Daisy, /or/ Frankie (though Daisy joined much much earlier). They were having difficulty accepting the new life while at the same time, trying to adapt to it, but Jessy just suddenly got used to everything on the first try. Even worse, apparently all her ideas were the best. Bramblestar agreed on /all/ of her ideas. Her personality had remained static, intrusive, rude, perfect, and /annoying/.
I personally hate her. And not just because she stole Bramblestar. Look at her. Just look! She is an Outclanner who somehow wormed into his heart and stayed there. I would've thought she'd be a bit of an outsider but no, everyone loves her, like Dovewing. She always comes up with the ideas, and is always 'the perfect warrior'. Just no. Jessy deserves to be number 2!
She is SO ANNOYING. I think she should be number one. She is rude, annoying, and tears Bramblestar away from Squirrelflight even more. Then she leaves and pretends to be all innocent and go "I must leave, my beautiful Bramblestar! You belong with Squirrelflight, hon" so annoying! And since she still has feelings for Bramblestar, Squirrelflight gets very hurt by how he is lured away by Jessy. BOOO HER - Swiftdawn
I HATE JESSY! She is one of my least favorite characters. She tried to manipulate Bramblestar, but luckily he came to his senses and realized he loved Squirrelflight. "Thank you, Bramblestar! "
Jessy sucks (pardon my French children! ) I totally agree with the comment below. She's great at everything, sure, but does anybody realize how unnatural it is for some random kittypet to find the Clan, be great at hunting, fighting, and making friends. I also feel like Jessy is a snob who gets everything she wants. Thank you, Erins, for not letting her have Bramblestar! - BerrystarOfRiverClan
Millie isn't a sue in the slightest. She looked nothing like Silverstream, and had to work so hard to get into Thunderclan with Graystripe. He only chose her because Graystripe truely loved her like he did Silverstream. She helped Graystripe, yet didn't always succeed. She was hurt, and I think blinded by getting hit with briars or brambles before arriving in the loner barn with those who helped her and such. Plus, Millie was the one to stand up to the dogs, and knew how to deal with them, but she also has some flaws to pull her weight with her good traits. In my opinion, Graystripe had many reasons to fall in love with her. Millie saved his life on multiple occasions, encouraged him, helped him, and made sure he kept his sanity. She was kind, but also clumsy, and couldn't exactly get hunting or fighting on the first try. Not at all. - Diistortions
I don't believe Millie is a total Sue. After all, not just any cat could bring Graystripe back to the clans in one piece! And, although this might just be me, I admire her for having the courage to face Thunderclan and declare she was going to keep her kittypet name. Usually, I dislike cats that deny a proper clan name upon joining a clan: like Daisy. The only thing I really dislike about Millie is her as a mother. She was fantastic until she had kits, then I started to dislike her a bit. She was a VERY protective mother, which I can respect in most characters, but Millie took it a bit far. I suppose what I really mean is her babying Briarlight, I mean I understand it's horrible what happened to her daughter: but she took it way too far. Instead of accepting that terrible things can happen to warriors, and praising her daughters bravery in going back to try and save an elder, she made things worse for all her kits. Millie first treated Briarlight like she was a poor helpless kit, ...more
Millie was NOT a mary-sue.. Looking like Silverstream doesn't make her a replacement or a Mary-sue.. She has FLAWS. She was overprotective of Briarlight. She snapped at Blossomfall even though she was injured. Whoever made this list has no idea what a Mary-sue is. Why wouldn't Graystripe fall in love with her? She saved his life SEVERAL times, and encouraged him, helped him, to find the Clans again. Without her, he would have died. Silverstream saved his life, and he fell in love with her..
Millie is a total Mary sue.She is just always slipping out of near death experiences! Remember that time when she caught Greencough with Briarkit? She was really sick and almost about to die and then all of a sudden she's well.She's also really fussy over Briarlight.Blossomfall be like,"My mama is a Mary sue and she hates me."and I don't blame her! Millie should be #1 on this listV 38 Comments
I don't even get how she would be a mary sue. She didn't get everything she wanted.
Since when is Squirrelflight a Mary Sue? I hate her because she's an idiot who speaks without thinking, can't see that Brambleclaw got mad at her because she was constantly bashing Hawkfrost (who is his HALF-BROTHER) and making it seem like she was judging him because of who his father was ("I don't think he likes me anymore! " NO. JUST NO.), and is generally impulsive, rude, and gets on my nerves. Since when is that a Mary Sue? - Scarletfall
She is flawed in being inpatient and stubborn when she doesn't get what she wants and I know she's beautiful but it doesn't make her a Mary Sue so much as a cat who, as everyone has, flaws and it's not to mention that she didn't mean to ash fur that she didn't love him it's just you can't love someone because they like you and are your friend so she. Is. Not. A. Mary. Sue!
Squirrelflight is NOT a Mary-sue, and just because you donât like a character doesnât mean they are a Mary Sue. She has some flaws, and isnât perfect. When Squirrelflight was an apprentice, she was rude, stubborn, and annoying. But of course, Squirrelflight matured and isnât the same as she was when she was an apprentice, which is what I like about her. But Squirrelflight does still have flaws, she is still a little rude, and is impatient. Squirrelflight isnât a Mary Sue at all.V 37 Comments
Uh... That's his power. Being invincible. Blame the Erins for giving him the power, not making him a bad character. I mean, sometimes he was a bit bland, but he never beat a fox as kit. At least I didn't read that. He and Hollyleaf were saved by Thornclaw's patrol, not by themselves. And Jayfeather almost died. He always had to deal with it, Hollyleaf "died", Cinderheart had trouble accepting his power, I mean... He's not a Gary-Stu.
Here ladies and gentlemen is the BIGGEST Mary Sue in Warriors, Lionblaze! He is literally invincible! When he was just a kit he bet a fox. A fox! He's just a kit and he a fox that's bigger than him and could kill him easily! Thank you Warriors you have won an award for making a canon sue. He can win any fight but lost only once because he wanted to show Cinderheart he could control his powers. He even bet Tigerstar like What the heck! He was still young too and look at Tigerstar. Tigerstar is a senior warrior who is really strong and is still training in Dark Forest. Now he's another reason he's a sue, almost everyone loves him expect for a few. Cinderheart and Heathertail like him! I absolute hate him. I hope they make another book in Warriors where he actually loses a battle not on purpose either.
I wouldn't call Lionblaze a complete Gary sue, but I also think that he is probably one of the closest you get in warriors. He is my least favorite character, not because he is invincible and stuff (which is such an annoying Gary sue power), but because he has a bland personality and he doesn't really make in progress in the books. In the end of The Power of Three (spoilers), Jayfeather and Hollyleaf are figuring out who they're parents are while Lionblaze doesn't even care. I'd always sigh when there were Lionblaze chapters because he is just so bland while the other two have such interesting and real personalities.
HOW DARE U PUt LIONBLAZE ON HERE HE IS NOT A MARY SUE!V 31 Comments
Why is he a Mary Sue? He raided a clan that had been his friends (worst betrayal ever) and because of that put his clan in a battle with a no known reason and if I'm not wrong let his cats trespass into another clans territory! Would you call that a Mary Sue?
One whisker was an amazing cat but when he became leader, I think being " less powerful " and stress of being leader kinda went to his brain. But I don't think of him as a Gary Stu.
Not exactly a Mary Sue, but very, very annoying.
Ok, I want OneWHISKER back. I thought Tallstar made a good choice untill the whole ThunderClan hate. One was such a good cat in the original series. I understand his choices, but I still don't like them. So yeah.#No pity hereV 13 Comments
I'm not a massive fan of leaf pool but I wouldn't consider her as a sue. She isn't the prettiest cat ever (not saying she's ugly just normal looking). Like all medicine cats she is close to star clan just like spotted leaf yellow wing cinder pelt and Jay feather. She has drama and gets upset about cats dying and is very soft hearted not in a good way though. She had one Tom padding after her which was crow but he wasn't exactly madly in love with her. He was just thinking about feather tail and basically compared loads of stuff to her which is why I think that. Leaf pool didn't adapt to being a warrior too well to be honest and the only thing I can really say which makes her special is the fact she found moon stone and has the kits from the power of three and her father is clan leader which isn't really her it's just her Mary Sue kin
Hmm...75% Sue. She is pretty, peaceful, falls in love easily, (with someone you would never think had mutual feelings.) blames herself for the death of my favorite character after going on about "true love," (which isn't really a red flag for Sues, but it's a common side trait, with Mary Sues finding their one and only...) AAAND she gives birth to the three power kits, (which were painful to read about...) and is evidently slightly intelligent for being a med. Did I miss anything? Oh, yes! When she gets kidnapped, she easily knows exactly what to do even though she hardly knows humans at all. No sense of violence, so she is an innocent, pretty, smart, gives birth to powerful beings...Nevermind. Just-just call her a Sue!
Ah, person who can't spell, punctuate, or anything you should be able to do on a normal basis, she couldn't control her father and mother, but she COULD control her kits. She could have killed her kits or given them away if she didn't want them. She had forbidden love, (a common thing in Sue Stories) special snowflake kits, and just GAVE UP HER ROLE AS A MEDICINE CAT. Crowfeather should have been with Feathertail.
TAKE LEAFPOOL OFF HERE. đđđ LEAFPOOL IS NOT A MARY SUE. SHE couldn't HAEB KITS SO SHE couldn't TAKE CARE OF THEM! (Sorry about the spelling)V 39 Comments
Mary sue. Everyone loves her because she lost an eye. She overreacted too, cinderpelt's leg looked horrid, but did she complain? Nope. Crookedstar's mother abandoned him because of his looks, but he learned to cope with it on his own. Brightheart needed Cloudtail to tell her she was pretty. Whats worse, she's super overrated JUST BECAUSE SHE LOST AN EYE.
How is she a Mary Sue? She isn't pretty because her face got ripped apart. You would complain if this happened to you. She only had one tom that liked her and Cloudtail cheated on her!
I get it she's got an injury. So did crookedstar. Brightheart complained about not being beautiful, and didn't stop until Cloudtail became mates with her. Crookedstar's ' mom hated him. I only started liking Brightheart when she forgot about her injury
Brightheart is not a mary sue! She complained a little about her injury, but guess who did too? Cinderpelt. She made a stupid mistake. Mary sues don't make stupid mistakes. And shes not a whiney brat. She hardly ever complained, and she had to deal with cats calling her ugly behind her back. I have searched and searched and searched for proof that Brighthearts a sue and found none.V 13 Comments
Yeah, no, total Mary Sue. Her "loyalty" is all over the place, and she plays with the emotions with pretty much all the toms ever. I mean, really? And she puts on the water-works when her father is murdered, but then becomes mates with one of the cats who wanted him dead? I want to trust her now that she is Clear Sky's loving mate, but I can't: she's always seemed just naturally evil. She's manipulative, secretive, and treats toms like objects.
She's constantly described as beautiful and stunning, etc, and she attracts the attention of THREE tomcats (if you count Slash, which was implied). Her personality changes according to the plot. In one scene, she's kind and supportive. In another, she'll be a badass fighting machine. One scene later she's a damsel in distress. She is also the center of a creepy love triangle. (Between the dad or his kid, really? ) Just, ugh. The Erins tried too hard this time.
All she does is stand around and look pretty, and everyone thinks she's amazing for it! I've only read up through 'Blazing Star', but even in that one she was annoying. I dare you to name one useful thing she ever did that didn't have some sort of personal benefit, or one time she was criticized by one of the good guys. It just doesn't happen.
DieV 20 Comments
Sure, she was a beautiful, lovely, sleek, charming she-cat, but for one, she died giving birth to her kits, she was in a forbidden relationship, and she stated in code of the clans she only saved Graystripe because she didn't want the river to be poisoned with dead bodies. Go ahead, but she is everything BUT a Mary-sue.
I completely disagree with this. She is NOT a Mary Sue at all. The definition of a Mary Sue is a character who is perfect. Does this describe Silverstream? No. She is deeply flawed, but not enough to seem terrible. She's stubborn, confident, arrogant, strong, sarcastic, independent. The list goes on, but the one thing that will not be on the list is Mary Sue. Re-read the books, dudes.
I personally disagree with this. Sure, she is called a beautiful, nice, she-cat, but at least she has EXAMPLES of that. She's really nice to Firestar, she knows that her relationship with Graystripe was wrong, but she loved him too much.
Oh, My daddy is a leader! I must be Royalty! Oh, what is that? A hot tom? I must make him be my mate by saving him from drowning! Oh wow! He thinks that I'm pretty! And look! Forbidden romance! How romantic! Now I'm pregnant! I'm good at everything and my personality is amazing! Oh look! I'm having babies! Now I am going to die so my boyfriend and father and everyone in the universe will mourn over me, and then I am going to be mentioned in every other book! :DDDV 22 Comments
He seems really Mary sue. He seems like always the perfect warrior, who never does anything wrong.
Arrogant annoying jerk -Firestorm
Never does nothing, kinda boring Mary-sue
This guy is such a mary-sue.V 4 Comments
I-I don't understand this one.
He kind of is though
His story was about as tragic as fire stars. Yeh he bullied for being small as a kit then all of sudden he earned the tough ally cats respect but 'beating a dog' I mean scaring it off with his shadow then he suddenly like *click* becomes the best fighter ever!
How he can be a Mary Sue? He just got punished his whole Life!
He one shouted tigerstar who had nine lives complete Gary StuV 18 Comments
I love him but... total Gary-Stu
Why is he on here - Camaro6
WHAT THE HELL - Scarletfall
Seriously so he was deputy so what he was wise so what that makes him a stu!? one of my favorite characters
heres some reasons why he is an anti stu
his mother dies when he is a kit!?
his father is the one who makes tigerstar evil
he dies like a day or two after he was made deputy for crying ou loud
signed moonstorm of nightclan
Once again, a cat added because someone didn't like her, not because she's a Mary Sue.
Ugh. Brook should go die in a hole. - Scarletfall
I don't like her :3
He's a cliche emo teenager. He always complains about how Leafpool and Crowfeather are his parents, and how he's blind. He's got blue eyes, one of the worst things you can do to a cat unless it's common in their breed. A siamese would have blue eyes, but Jayfeather is a silver tabby mix if I remember correctly. NO SIAMESE!
Like the previous post states, he is constantly challenged by the narrative of the story. He's clumsy and a grump, constantly snappy and has a tragic backstory. His mother didn't want him, and his father is kind of a prick in my opinion. Almost 99% of the time he is completely emo and can never be happy. The only time he ever screwed up is when he through a STICK out of all things into the lake and almost drown Firestar. Wow. You wanted him to cry and whine and mourn after Flametail's death? NOPE! To emo to have feelings like that! Even though Jayfeather liked Flametail as in friendship, he just can't mourn over someone from SHADOWCLAN of all things. Plus, he ...more - Diistortions
Jayfeather is always challenged by the narrative, and that's the true definition of "Mary-Sue" or "Gary-Stu". What, did you want Jayfeather to weep for days when Flametail died, and be traumatized? He has Clanmates to treat, you know, he couldn't grieve about ShadowClan's medicine cat forever. He plenty of times falls/trips/walks into things, like in Sunrise when he walked into the brambles, Eclipse he got scratched by a thorn, and more. He's snappy and moody, and that's not being perfect. How would you feel if you were blind and all you had was a blind elder also to share feelings with? I mean, he was annoying sometimes, but still, but his blindness really is tragic, and he never had a "perfect life".
I don't know why everyone is either obsessed with Jayfeather or thinks he's a Gary Stu. He's so grumpy all the time, and he even doesn't appreciate his awesome powers as much as he should, but he doesn't think of them as a curse. Jayfeather is pretty much an anti-sue, minus the awesome powers. Jayfeather isn't really the nicest to be around, I don't know why there's an overwhelming amount of fan art about him. Even though I do like the ones about him and his stick.
*triggered* HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM A MARY SUE! HE ISN'T A MARY SUE AT ALL! HE'S FOXDUNGING BLIND, FOR STARCLAN'S SAKE! - WillowfurV 33 Comments
You could say he's a Mary Sue for one reason... Crookedstar got his injury his mother completely ignored his brother and paid attention to him only.
He's to arrogant, but I have sympathy for his messed up kit-hood - Songwind
Oak heart is not a Mary Sue and he's a good cat has a horrible mother (one of my least favourite cats)a wonderful father and brother great clan...and now that I think about it maybe he is...a little bit.
I agree that Oak heart is a May Sue. He was always trying to make CrookedStar do the right thing. Tottaly Mary Sue!V 7 Comments
Yup, Bramblestar is a Gary-stu. HAHAhaha... This is officially the stupidest list I have ever seen. Squirrelflight was never even described as pretty! He doesn't even have that many friends! Feathertail and Stormfur are gone. Crowfeather's returned to his prickly old self. Ashfur pretty much backstabbed him by working with Hawkfrost, claiming he was not trustworthy, and insisting Leafpool made up a StarClan sign. He wasn't even temporary deputy! Graystripe was officially pronounced dead, they even had a funeral. Brambleclaw was officially deputy. It's like a deputy deciding to retire. If for some reason the deputy wants to be a warrior again, he's not going to be reinstated as deputy.
Bramblestar was tempted to kill his own leader. Gary-stu? NOPE. He was the son of Tigerstar, and had to struggle to prove his loyalty to his own Clan just because of his looks. Gary-stu? NOPE. He and Squirrelflight argued a lot. Gary-stu? For the third time, nope. Even though he knew Tigerstar was ...more
I HATE BRAMBLESTAR! Such a Gary Stu! He LEFT SQUIRRELFLIGHT for being loyal to her sister! And I bet he would do the same for Tawnypelt. Bramblestar complains that Squirrelflight is accusing his half-brother and SHE WAS RIGHT! And Brambleclaw bossed her around and bullied her just because he was deputy and he could. BO - Swiftdawn
The ONLY reason he became leader was because he was the main character in the second series. I bet if Tigerstar was the main character, he would become leader! (Don't tell him that.)
Well, Bramblestar is quite a bit of a Gary Stu. I know he's a skilled warrior, but in Bramblestar's storm, he defeats a fox that's at least twice as big as him all by himself.V 10 Comments
How does loving three cats make Crowfeather, Crowfeather of all cats, a Gary-stu?!?
He loved three cats Nightcloud Leafpool and Feathertail.
He's the exact opposite of a Gary-Stu seriously this list is getting ridiculous
Depressed emo cat? Yeah, he's TOTALLY a Mary Sue. - WillowfurV 9 Comments
I can sorta agree with this. I've never really thought she was a Mary-Sue, but I don't like her. I've always favored Stormfur. I hated how she would argue with Stormfur when the sweet lil bean Storm was just trying to protect her and help her not beak the warrior cat's code. I felt betrayed by the author(s? ) of the series when they made Feathertail all of a sudden the new main cat of the prophecy. - Mossglide
Well, there is a steep hill argumement on if she's a mary sue or not. I think she is. She's described as kind, pretty, gentle, a weakling, and looks a lot like her mother, who could have easily been described as the prettiest she in the clan. She attempted a forbidden relationship, while knowing her mother died from a forbidden relationship. Ignoring tradgedy in favor of instinct is pretty stupid for such a loyal clan cat, and it doesn't make since either. She was always so nice, but then argues when Stormfur and kills Sharptooth. Logic? I agree that she's a stereotypical girl from the 40's. - Diistortions
I don't love Feathertail..but I still don't think she's a Mary-sue! How is Feathertail a Mary-sue?! Yes, she's pretty, gentle, kind, looks like her dead mother, saved the Tribe, but she still is not a Mary-sue! She tried to pursue a forbidden relationship with Crowpaw(feather) even though her own mother DIED because of a forbidden relationship! That's not Mary-sue. And she argued with Stormfur. Not mary-sue.
This time, I don't want her to be number one. But isn't it sweet how she's right below Crowfeather? - WillowfurV 10 Comments
This is his description:dark coloured Tom with chipped ears loots of scars personality:cruel blood thirsty cat murdered kits banished his medicine cat drove out a whole clan! Does that sound like a Mary Sue to you?
His prefix is literally BROKEN. I don't think this cat was ever a gary stu...
Yes. Names like "Star" "evil" or "broken" will make them seem like a sue. - Ravenfang
Brokenstar is NOT a Gary Stu in the slightest!
Evil murderer who burns the Warrior Code to a crisp? TOTALLY a Mary Sue. - WillowfurV 9 Comments
I am so very sure that she is not canon
Gleamstar. Everything said.
not canon - Scarletfall
Yes, itâs Stargleam!
May be a Mary Sue, but when I rewrote her story (changed her name, changed title) I kinda grew attached to her.
In the original...she was kinda bad, and I found myself liking Jazzpaw WAY more.
But, lesson learned: redo a character, love the character.
This cat is nonexistent in canon Warriors, but vote here if you just want to comment on everything.
LOL This warrior does not even exist I mean I'm 100 precent sure most cats don't even know what IS a unicorn... - Gingerbobo
See below. I just voted on her to comment.
*slow sarcastic clap* *slow sarcastic clap* - WillowfurV 6 Comments
There is no way she was a mary sue! Sure, she came to terms with her mother's death a lot faster then Bluestar: but she isn't perfect. Honestly, my only guess for why she is here is either because people favored Bluestar or because some just didn't like her mate (Thistleclaw.) I suppose her death was the reason he turned evil, creating an evil Tigerstar: who beat up Tiny and then invited bigger Tiny (Scourge) to come attack the clans. He also made almost every cat in the forest pregnant, resulting in half-rogue kits (one of which messed stuff up in the lake territory).. so yeah, her love with Thistleclaw did pretty much screw the four clans over, but where would the story be without it?
Um, how is she a Mary-Sue? Some people...
I personally LOVE Snowfur's character. She is not a Mary sue in the slightest!
Snowfur is awesome! There are a lot of people calling her a "crybaby" and they are like "SNOWFUR IS A MARY SUE! 11111111". that's just stupid. Shes not a mary sue! People also say they hate her because she loved Thisleclaw. that's just a really stupid reason to hate her. Snowfur is not a bad cat or a mary sue. Snowfur is the best! #Snowfur is awesomeV 20 Comments
Ivy pool isn't. She doesn't have toms padding after her in fact nobody even recognised her. While dovewing had her fame ivy pool had to take an oath even though she was spying for the clans. Dove wing just whines about how bad her life is having too much toms after her and having annoying powers and being close to star tribe.
She is one of those cats in the series who actually grows both physically and mentally. Ivypool was a grumpy and jealous cat at first, and was scared of the Dark Forest. But she develops a determent character that is hard-working and loyal. She is even brave enough to become a spy in the Dark Forest. And she doesn't go all cliche like "I'm not afraid haha" No! She is creeped out to the very point, and yet she faces that fear every day with trembling paws.
I don't like either Ivypool or Dovewing, but Ivypool has to be better. At least Ivy wasn't just a replacement for Hollyleaf that was just rushed in because, "Oh hay! Let's murder Hollyleaf all of a sudden! " and they need a replacement. - Mossglide
Ivypool isn't a mary sueV 16 Comments
I truly don't get why people sympathize with this character. He acted like a huge jerk to Squirrelflight after their "breakup", he tried to kill his leader and three kits, and after all that, he gets to go to Starclan because he just "loved too much". Do you want to know who did basically the same thing as him and went to the Dark Forest/Place of no Stars? Mapleshade. If another cat from the same clan can do the same (the only difference is not successfully killing any cats) and go to Starclan because "oh he is so misunderstood and in pain and he loved too much", then that is a perfect sign of a Gary Stu cat.
How come ash fur got into star clan when thistle claw didn't. At least thistle claw didn't try to kill loads of cats then complain he loved too much
Before you go whining your butts off, he got a free ticket to Starclan after almost killing 5 cats. ALL BECAUSE HE "LOVED TOO MUCH." He was too emo, had a good name and appearance, and in the end got what he wanted. To ruin the Three's, Leafpool's, Squrrielflight's, Brambleclaw's, and Crowfeather's lives. He was, indirectly, a gary sue.
Unfortunately, as much as I like Ashfur I have to agree. I think Yellowfang was a bit demented when she admitted Ashfur to StarClan. So what if he "loved too much? " He tried to kill four cats, including two of the prophecy cats and his Clan leader! He deserves to go to the Dark Forest!
And honestly, it would be a whole lot more interesting if he went to the Dark Forest. - Scarletfall
Not real. - IcetailofWishClan
LOL so stupid - Gingerbobo
Anyone who thinks Bluestar or yellow fang should be in this list, let alone before daisy,
GO AWAY IN A HOLE AND NEVER COME OUT! This must be a mistake daisy is total Mary but Bluestar and yellowfang are my favorite characters so this must be a mistake
She's not a Mary-Sue! Mary-Sues don't go crazy and declare war on StarClan! - Scarletfall
''Everything about Bluestar is a Mary Sue''
WHAT? NO! I CAN'T BE A MARY-SUE!
She is more like an anti-sue! She is anything but a Mary Sue. She HAS FLAWS: broken spine, miserable, and yeah
WUT? Briarlight couldn't have kits, looked weird, broken spine, sad...She's a total NOT mary-sue! - Aquastar_of_DewClan
Mary Sue. And all Briarlight haters here- The Rise Of BriarlightHaterClan begins!
She is a mary sue a total whiney bitch you guys are asses if you think notV 2 Comments
We know literally nothing about her personality. She's a KIT. So she died early. So what? Is that why she got onto this list? How did she get onto this list. Anyone who thinks that Mosskit is a Mary Sue needs mental help. - Scarletfall
Just because she died early doesn't make her a mary sue. - IcetailofWishClan
I don't agree! She was flat, but that doesn't immediately make her a Sue. She died before she could have a personality. - Mossglide
Mosskit is DEAD and was NEVER alive! How does this make her one? - SilentShadowV 7 Comments
Heh. Awful name, but not a Mary Sue because Starstarstar doesn't exist in Warriors canon.
Wow now stop it this is so mouse brained
This fake cat is attacking thetoptens once again! - IcetailofWishClan
Wow a lot of fans are kinda mouse brained huh, What da heck Starstarstar? - GingerboboV 5 Comments
Since when is Yellowfang anything even remotely resembling a Mary Sue? - Scarletfall
I want to ban whoever thinks she should be here.
Someone was a Spottedleaf x Firestar shipper or something shipper and they decided to post Sandstorm.. Look.. Sand x Fire is staying, why?
Cinder x Fire:
Sandstorm never stole Fireheart away, so shut it down please. Firestar never noticed, not because he was a jerk, but because he saw Cinder as a sister, their relationship was totally platonic. He felt bad when Cinderpelt got ran over not because he loved her, but because he was her mentor, and was supposed to be watching over her.
Spotted x Fire:
Fire had lust for Spotted, they barely talked, on about 3 times before Spotted got killed by Clawface. I know they kinda loved each other.. But after Firestar met Sandstorm and fell in love, he was more mature and realized that their love wasn't real, and Spottedleaf had to realize that in Starclan. Spottedleaf's acceptance was when she saved Sandstorm from Mapleshade by sacrificing herself. I think it was her last gift to Firestar once and for all, and then she ...more
To that one person, I don't think that Cinderpelt really loved Firestar that way...All the authors said was that she loved him, but that doesn't really mean lust, either. I don't think that a 6 month old kitten could be old enough to feel that way,(they do feel emotions, maybe not the same as humans, but...) even though they can be force-bred.(which, of course, isn't happening.) HOWEVER, Sandstorm gets defeated, has flaws, and GAVE BIRTH TO LEAFPOOL, the worst character in that thing!
Sandstorm isn't a Mary-Sue! How could you say that? She was the best choice for a mate because:
1) This relationship is allowed.
2) The couple has more development. Spottedleaf and Cinderpelt only loved him after like...3 minutes.
3) Sandstorm isn't a stalker; unlike Spottedleaf, that is.
NO - ScarletfallV 8 Comments
He's not a gary stu.. He was manipulated by his own father.
Wow hawkfrost is evil for the sake of his dad being evil uhh ya anyone else thinking GARY STU?
What what what what what - Scarletfall
He isn't a Gary Stu at all! One of the defining traits of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu is that they have no real flaws, and that they power through the plot with nearly no loss, or with excess angst. And as awful as Clear Sky's evilness is,the angst isn't too excessive, and Grey Wing is clearly hurt, damaged, and in other ways thrown around by the plot.
Mates: Turtle Tail (Formerly), Slate
Sons: White Tail, Black Ear
Daughter: Silver Stripe
Mother: Quiet Rain
Brothers: Clear Sky
Sister: Fluttering Bird
Clan: Shadow Clan (Formerly), Wind Clan - CreamstripeOfButterClan
How is Gray Wing a Gary stu? He was an amazing cat! - IcetailofWishClan
I despise Gray Wing. He was SO annoying. Every decision he made ALWAYS had to be right. He fell in love with FOUR she-cats. FOUR! And two of them already had mates! I mean, come on. And of course, everyone loves him and adores him and thinks he should be leader. And Clear Sky gets all the hate. Clear Sky, who actually has a personality! Clear Sky is such and awesome character, and Gray Wing is a dumb Gary Stu. And then everyone says that he isn't a Gary Stu because he has feline asthma. Ok, sure, he has feline asthma, but he makes up for it with his OH SO PERFECT PERSONALITY. I cannot stand Gray Wing. #ClearSkyisawesomeandGrayWingisaGaryStuV 4 Comments
Um...we see him all of three or four times. And he only appears in the one novella. How am I supposed to know? - Scarletfall
Yes! Appledusk "falls in love" with Mapleshade and then later in the book acts all snotty and decides he's to good for a ThunderClan cat!
He's not a marry sue...
WHY! WHY!? I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE FAKE NAMES!
Mm...yes. he was such a marry sue. he always went around complaining about his life and he was like firestar. he had the fith power! he was over-rated and perfect. he was a know-it-all. he never gave anyone a turn to play frizz-bee with him. he was funny at first and then he became leader. he was always treated the best. he is by far the most anoying cat ever..
i'm kidding man! who the hell is he?! - JellybirdLPS
We don't know that much about Princess to know her overall traits. Along with that we got very little about her personality to know whether or not but for now I say no to the whole Mary Sue thing!
She appears all of six times in the book. SIX TIMES. And none of the encounters were all that long. How are we supposed to know enough about her to decide this or not? - Scarletfall
So what if her name is Princess. Her name doesn't reflect any of her traits. She didn't even get enough book time to show if she was a Sue at all.
Her name is Princess because her twolegs named her that way. I don't think her name makes her a Mary Sue. Any other reasons? Remember, she is a KITTYPET. Kittypets just get those names, they're no Clan cats!V 10 Comments
This name is so funny all I think of when I hear his name is a bunch of goats in a hurricane!
He's not. He's not. And yes, his name is funny, everyone get over it please. - Scarletfall
This cats name...
Billystorm... for Starclans sake change your name... please... the poor goatsV 5 Comments
Even though Wind Runner is a bit overpowered compared to other cats, she isn't a total Mary Sue, because she goes through real hardships that aren't handled too unrealistically, and she does have obvious character flaws that impact the storyline.
She skilled. That makes her a Sue? She has a LOT of character flaws. She's stubborn, ugly, irritable... There's no way she's a Sue.
Mate: Gorse Fur
Daughters: Morning Whisker, Moth Flight
Sons: Ember Fur, Dust Muzzle
Clan: Wind Clan - CreamstripeOfButterClan
It's odd how she is suddenly amazing fighterV 3 Comments
Unless we're talking about Moonflower, then it's not canon. - IcetailofWishClan
I don't think this is canon.
It's not canon.
huh - Scarletfall
Heh, my sister died so now I can take her husband... oh hi Berrynose let's have kits!
'Oh, no! My sister is dead well I'mma steal her mate! What?! He still loves her?! DISGRACE! Now I'mma go to the moonpool and let Breezepelt kill me cause he has feelings for a cat he won't see in another billion moons just like basically EVERY OTHER CAT WHO HAS A NEW MATE AFTER THERE FIRST ONE DOES! (Graystripe, Crowfeather, Tallstar's mother, Firestar...)' MARY-SUE FOR YOU?
She's supposed to be a sue, if you're talking about Starkit from Starkit's Prophecy. It was a joke story/troll story. She's still full on sue, though.
not canon - Scarletfall
I don't really like Moonflower, but that doesn't mean she's a Mary Sue. Sure, she has the prefix moon: which I'm surprised the Erin's let happen, she wasn't very understanding to her brother, and honestly I think she was pretty awful to him: but she wasn't mentioned enough in Goosefeather's curse and she died too quickly in Bluestar's Prophecy to have any real evidence of being a mary sue. At the very most, she's an underdeveloped character.
Bluffer and Snowfur loved her so much, she was definitely described as beautiful and sweet, but she doesn't really have any character development. I haven't seen examples of these traits. Plus, she's Goosefeather's littermate, so while he's described as old and crazy, she's young and motherly. They're the same age, guys!
She has the prefix "Moon", is gorgeous, and described as young and lovely while her littermate is described as old and cranky. Enough said.
Not - ScarletfallV 4 Comments
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the only reason he is here is because people don't like him. Which is understandable, Clear Sky is shown to be a villain in most of the Dawn of the Clans books. But he is DEFINITELY not a perfect or idealized character. I mean, hello? He lost his first love and his unborn kits, had to go on to take charge of a whole new group of cats and become one of the most hated cats in the forest, find another mate only to have her run off to twolegplace with his unborn kits and die: leaving only one survivor, then he ruins his chances of ever being a father to his only son by making a grief-driven decision to push him away. The list goes on, I mean honestly: who would want his life?
Clear Sky fights and kills to get his way. In Moth Flight's Vision, he blinds Willow Tail which kills her. He busts up Wind Runner's leg. He claws cats if they don't agree.
Misty (A mother! )
He also has had three mates.
Right after Bright Stream died, and Storm came along, he was mates with her. No thoughts on Bright Stream. Then, when Storm dies, he sees Star Flower and accuses his son of jealousy. No thoughts on Bright Stream or Storm.
Abandons Thunder, and goes
" oh well "
Mates: Bright Stream (Formerly), Storm (Formerly), Star Flower
Sons: Thunder, Tiny Branch
Daughters: Flower Foot, Dew Petal
Mother: Quiet Rain
Brothers: Grey Wing, Jagged Peak
Sister: Fluttering Bird
Clan: Sky Clan - CreamstripeOfButterClan
How in the world would anyone ever think that this guy is a Mary Sue? - ScarletfallV 3 Comments
who? - Scarletfall
Not canon - Frogjaw1996
Ok. Time for a quick rant. ONE: This isn't even a name! TWO: The REAL Hollykit is a total Mary-Sue! THREE: Who can't picture this cat as a boringly flawless, sleek she-cat who is an expert in battle!? WARRIOR CATS FANDOM, WHAT HAVE YOU BECOME!?
-Moonpelt of Thunderclan, BFF of Tawnywhisker of Thunderclan
Stop with the fake cats
-ScarletStar of Fire Clan
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