Top Ten Biggest Problems with TheTopTens's Community in March 2017

DCfnaf
I see you getting triggered by the title of this list.

Don't get offended by this list, this is just a list explaining why the site is really toxic this year, and I'm sure if you read my explanations and entries, you will agree. So don't get your panties in a twist, since I'm not trying to offend you. Anyways, this site has become a poisonous gas cloud that has a hard time fixing itself. Here's why.

The Top Ten

1 "The Great Zootopia Controversy"

Oh boy. This controversy makes me want to vomit up my internal organs and amputate all of my appendages off. It's that awful. What's worse is that I'm pretty much the reason this garbage is happening on here. I made a criticism post to a list that compared The Lego Batman Movie and Zootopia because it felt more like a Zootopia Hate list rather than a comparison list. The author of the list got very offended by the criticism (which makes no sense considering that it was meant to help that user) and went ballistic. The last few lists he made caused him lots of hate and controversy from tons of users on here. I feel bad, but at the same time I feel like the user needs to improve on his work rather than just attacking all of us for criticizing him. Either way, I feel like this will get worse and worse as time goes on. - DCfnaf

This controversy is just retarded, so what if someone hates a kid's movie? The user in particular took criticism and acted hyper sensitive. Goes to show this website has a lot of hyper sensitive users. Granted no one's safe from criticism myself included, it's how we all improve.

I agree with this list 100%, I can see TheTopTens is really declining this year, and I have noticed it. There was actually a fight over Zootopia? Come on, there are better things to do. Also, even though I am not high in stats, I still try my best to do good content.

I wasn't involved but it was stupid

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2 Quantity is Emphasized Over Quality

I'm not saying that all of the users nowadays do this with their lists, as MSBS, CrimsonShark, LightningBlade, and SuperSonic17 are some of the wonderful exceptions to this. However, there are tons of users nowadays who don't really put any effort or pride into what they're presenting to the general public. They don't put in big, heavy explanations as to why they have the opinions they have, but they just choose to throw something out with 5 word descriptions and call it art. Yeah, it doesn't work like that on here. Stat Padding may get you more...well...stats (obviously) but it doesn't get you more detail and more effort on here. - DCfnaf

Well I'm not sure they would say 'HOLY HELL THIS SUCKS'. Wouldn't they say 'This movie sucks, I think they should add etc, etc. But if they say 'HOLY HELL THIS SUCKS' then it is bad. I agree. - micahisthebest

I don't know what to say here. But as for me I see some lists don't show on "newest list page". For example I created a list "Most Unique Abilities of Musicians", and spent a lot of time if this is right or wrong. But admin never approved my list on newest list page. said, the list title wasn't attractive.

on the other hand, when I created some lists like "best posters'. those appear on newest list page. I think that's a problem that some great lists get hidden, and some random lists appear on newest list page. so, its not always users. - zxm

I made a list about top ten Mario kart tracks with the best music. It had a good description, comments on each item, and other stuff! When it got approved, it did not even show up on newest list. (I could lose my sanity if this keeps happening). And now, it barely gets any views at all, same with all other lists of mine with big potential. And that's why I, along with a few other toptenners, Use quantity over quality. I hope you see why this happens on the toptens now. - SpectralOwl

I used to emphasize quantity over quality back in 2015. Now I realize that stats aren't everything after I was criticized for this.

ModernSpongebobSucks, christangrant, Metal_Treasure, and a couple others need to realize this. Stats aren't everything. At least htoutlaws2012 puts effort in his content now. - EpicJake

Or you could focus on getting the accomplishment of high quality lists and posts, quality of the content is maintained, and stats also improve - styLIShT

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3 We Barely Get Any Unique Users Anymore

Every user here is literally the same person to me. Everyone loves rock music, gravity falls, Nintendo, Michael Jackson, etc. and everyone hates Justin Bieber, Frozen, Liv and Maddie, Donald Trump, Pop Music, etc. Guess what? IT IS GETTING OLD. In fact, it's gotten SO old to the point where people just write on their profile pages, "I'm just your average joe who likes Rock and Metal Music." Is that seriously where we are going now? What's worse is that users who DO bring something interesting like SplashMoun10, someone who enjoys talking about Park Rides, they barely get any atttention for it since they aren't doing the same lousy crap that gets attention like elimination games, dating lists, pointless comparisons, and more. - DCfnaf

There isn't really such thing as a "unique" user. This site is a general interest sight after all, expect people to have similar views no matter what. - Swellow

I like Gravity Falls, Nintendo, and Michael Jackson. Rock music is good, but I prefer classical. I don't like Justin Bieber, Liv and Maddie, and Donald Trump. I dislike Frozen not hate it, and some pop music is good. - Cartoonfan202

We can't really control how unique we are, though. Do you want people to act fake here just to satisfy TheTopTen's community?

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4 Hypersensitivity and Immaturity

A lot of the new users that have joined this website are very weak and young for their ages. These new users cannot take criticism and choose to mope around and complain when someone says that their lists are garbage when they so very clearly are. When we say that you have issues with your work, we are trying to HELP you, not SHAME you. That's the reason this entry is on the list. Criticism is not the equivalent of bullying, and if you keep taking criticism as bullying, you will get worse as a user and not better as a user. I don't get offended by criticism and I don't even get offended by bullying because I know the former is meant to help me so I listen, and I know that the latter exists to piss me off so I don't respond or I don't get angry. - DCfnaf

I've kind of experienced this from lists where people have an opposite opinion of the subject being talked about. For example, doing their best to defend what they like while saying that something completely unrelated is "trash" in a way. And then trying to argue with them is almost impossible... - Swellow

Criticism is different from bullying, and not a lot of users here seem to understand that - Cartoonfan202

Criticism is a hard hit to take, but you have to learn to take the hits. They will help you improve.

However, there is a difference between mature criticism and blatant bullying. - Lunala

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5 Elite Rustlers

Elite Rustlers are users who piss people off because they think it's funny. Sure, they say they aren't being rude or offensive, but you read that definition carefully. You know what they are. That just sounds like a more fun and clever set of words than "bullying pricks". They're really just bullies who say they aren't bullying but that's exactly what they are doing. While you may not be using your superiority to make others do things you want them to do, you're still being jerks and you're still making people angry. - DCfnaf

Criticism isn't bad. After all, I am a critic. However, I don't make long paragraphs about how awful a certain user is just to rile them up. - DCfnaf

I really have no idea why some users still jeer or bully others for the sake of becoming popular, It's so lame and shameful..Still some don't understand and make lame jokes and posts about others...Pity - Ananya

I have nothing against these users. But I think its odd that mean users are getting praised and nice users are getting ignored. - Cartoonfan202

Yeah, someone tried to rustle me once. - 50

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6 Bandwagoning

I've always hated bandwagoning. If you have a different opinion than someone else, that's okay. Not everyone will have the same opinion, so you don't need to change yours in fear of criticism. As long as you respect the fact that an opinion is not fact and not everyone will like the same things, it's all right. - Elric-san

I'm under the impression that to be on this site one has to love metal, The Lion King/The Lion Guard, and Bayonetta and defend those with your life while hating Frozen, pop music, and Princess Peach. It shouldn't have to be like that.

I am not even a fan of The Lion King, but I do like metal. I don't even defend the Lion King. My favorite music is punk, which is not even the most preferred on this site. Princess Peach is not even bad, but I am not a fan of her.

Bandwagoning is beyond stupid and idiotic. Not everyone's gonna have the same opinion as you, but that doesn't mean you have to change your opinion or anything. Why should you care if someone doesn't like what you like? It's your opinion. You really don't have to change it ya know.

I have been pressured into hopping onto bandwagons in the past, but now I try and just like whatever I want. - Lunala

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7 Many Popular Users that People Liked Have Declined in Terms of Their Quality and Personality

This is really upsetting to me. Hopefully they can improve. - DCfnaf

Can you give some examples please - Cartoonfan202

I Think I've Gotten Better. - AlphaQ

Just like Pop! - EliHbk

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8 People Complain Just for the Sake of Complaining

Literally every comment I see nowadays is, "Holy HELL, this game SUCKS! " "Well, this movie is going to be awful" or "It looks dumb so it IS dumb! " What happened to the formal, hilarious, and positive users that were on here? I want you to know that when you complain, you drain the rest of us and make us miserable. What's the point of constantly saying something sucks when you could just talk about stuff that's good or stuff that you like talking about? However, these people just don't stop and they keep whining about the same thing over and over again. What's worse is that these people can't take your advice to heart and they keep complaining about it. - DCfnaf

"It's overrated because its poop". Ugh... - Cartoonfan202

I hope those complainers do not become critics. They would be bad at the job. - DCfnaf

Kind of the reason I stopped being a "critic" - whining about music you don't like isn't fun at all. - Swellow

People just say the subject is awful, without really explaining why. Sure you think the movie is atrocious, but whats wrong with it?

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9 Troll Users are Joining Left and Right

That this is happening and more and more things are now requiring one to "sign in" (making lists, adding to lists of a certain length, flagging comments for review) cannot be a coincidence.

I like funny trolls who are funny but not rude, but I hate the trolls who are offensive and toxic. - Lunala

To be honest, this is a good thing. - ProPanda

Examples:
BOTDFYesLedZepplinNo
Everyone knows BOTDF sings about juvenile delinquency and porn. Period
schoolsucks
Short 1-word comments.

And I guess there will be more like HilaryYesDonaldNo (or vice versa), China53X, DRUGSFTW, etc. These people just defame TheTopTens and do nothing constructive! - MChkflaguard_Yt

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10 Great Users are Retiring Left and Right

Yeah, can't they just visit and chat instead of saying "I'm retiring for good because there's nothing to do" - micahisthebest

Unfortunately, that is true. And this is coming from someone who joined about 1-2 years ago. - IcetailofWishClan

CastlevaniaFanboy128 and others that have contributed a whole lot to TheTopTens retired from the site. Even PositronWildhawk doesn't come on as often. People that have contributed great stuff to TheTopTens just don't contribute anymore. - DCfnaf

Yeah, jack2244 did 5 TIMES! - EliHbk

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The Contenders

11 Lack of Respect

Was there any respect in the first place? This website is used to downgrade everything and everyone and everywhere we see, hear, feel, taste, or smell. - JustAnAccount

12 Gen 17

This item is not valid at all. The reasons why some of the newer users have been disliked have already been mentioned on this list, plus it's really unfair to slam a few decent users based only on who joined around the same time as them. - Entranced98

You know, complaining about this generation isn't going to make it any better, is it?

I will continue to stand by my firm belief that generation is a label and should not affect the reputation of users on this site. The problems should not be piled onto a group of users because of the time they joined. - isaaonrtdmtr

At least we're in Generation 18 now - SpectralOwl

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13 Almost Identical Lists

Some lists are exactly the same but at least one word in the title is changed - Cartoonfan202

Just count how many lists there have been for "Top 10 Best Disney Movies" - PeeledBanana

14 People Keep Complaining About Admin

Why does everyone hate admin?!? Everyone puts him on there 'worst users' and they say, he makes the site worse. HE CREATED THE SITE! We wouldn't be on here if it wasn't for him. Stop the lack of respect for admin now! - micahisthebest

Other than being strict, admin has done a pretty decent job. Must be the annoying bandwagon in. - AlphaQ

Honestly, I don't have any problem with the admins, Don't see anything wrong with them either. - Ananya

This isn't a problem at all. Especially since they suspened half the community during April 2017. In addition, don't forget how any users that were suspended in February as well. - Therandom

Half of the site is not here right now. I didn't add this by the way. - DCfnaf

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15 Pointless Comparison Lists

There is a reason I dedicated an entire post on how people make these lists.

Adventure time is obviously better than Ebola. People only make them for attention. - MChkflaguard_Yt

I Only Make Them For Joking Causes. - AlphaQ

€�Reasons why toilets are better than Justin Bieber” - Lunala

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16 The Never Ending War Over "the Loud House"

Both the fans and haters are guilty. The fans attacked some of the haters, while the haters stereotype the fans and attack them for no reason even if the fans respect opinions. One of the haters even told the fans to commit suicide. - Cartoonfan202

The haters aren't any better than the fans. The haters often generalize the fans as people who disrespect opinions, which is plain hypocritical because they don't do it either. - NiktheWiz

Oh god, I don't understand the fuss over this cartoon. It's okay at best. I've watched it, it's just fun for the sake of being fun. - isaaonrtdmtr

I don't really car, it sucks to me but whatever you think is ok, unless you say otherwise!
Open-Minded ---> - EliHbk

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17 Bullying

Well..I see posts, comments and lists to bully users in one way or the other...
Take the blindfold of ignorance off, and do something worthy of your time. - Ananya

I agree bullying is something I have no tolerance for. - DylanRob

The argument to be made is not "cyberbullying isn't real." For me, it's "You have more actions you can take on your own if you feel you're being affected by someone online." - isaaonrtdmtr

Bullying Is Worse Than Everything. - AlphaQ

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18 Disrespecting of Opinions

I seemed to get attacked by some annoying metal/LP fans for like pop and rap better than metal and for hating Linkin Park. Could this please stop? - AlphaQ

There are loads of examples, but I don't have time to name them all:
1. On my old account, I said that Kion from The Lion Guard was a good character, and then I got attacked with dislikes and hate comments.
2. This was one of the biggest problems in the Zootopia War.
3. TopTenners now go by this stupid logic "If they don't respect my opinions, I'll disrespect theirs". Even if someone isn't respectful of opinions, you should still respect theirs! - Cartoonfan202

19 Too Much Hate on Serena from Pokemon

Now I could care less about Pokemon as a whole, but the hate on her is ridiculous, especially as a Pokemon ANIME character. - StarlightSpanks

She deserves hate, but is Too overhated - Lunala

Why not? - Unharmless

Yes, WAY too much.

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20 The Princess Peach Hate

I hate the Princess Peach hate on this website. People only hate her because she gets captured a lot. Really? That’s her purpose! That’s been the plot since the beginning! You don’t see Mario complaining, so why should you? Not everyone is super strong, deal with it

21 Bobbythebrony is Still Suspended

It's ridiculous. All because Bobby said "mean" things to a visitor. - Therandom

Wot. So I Can't Rustle Him? - AlphaQ

It is now August of 2018. Bobby still has yet to be unsuspended. If his punishment was really going to be that prolonged, wouldn't it have been easier to ban him? - isaaonrtdmtr

Wot. - AlphaQ

22 Lack and Restriction of Content

Swearing is good 4 Kids admin Wot. - AlphaQ

I used to be a big image contributor (Alongside MSBS and Metal_Treasure) during 2016. Then suddenly, Admin decides to implement a severe restriction, allowing us to only put in images of existing items with images and the only way to apply a first image is if it is your own list. And I'm not the only one to fee disappointed.

Also, considering that creating a list has now become more difficult, I think its time for new content and features to be included on the site. Why not include a discussion thread between different people where us users can come together and have lets say a "Page Admin/Moderator" who would decides who gets to contribute and who doesn't. How about a forums where you can post new information daily and alert people of the news or anything interesting. A memorial application to pay tribute to deceased TopTenners. The possibilities are endless. - CrimsonShark

23 Weeaboos

They all died out in 2016 - TwilightKitsune

I don’t like anime, the only anime I like is Pokemon - Lunala

24 The Opinion of Users is Purely Based on Love or Hate

I'm tired of seeing the people who never point out the flaws or pros of something. Instead they just jump to a conclusion and say "this thing sucks/rocks and whoever doesn't agree can eat feces". It's literally what's plaguing communities like the music or movie one here. - Swellow

There's more than that. Scores out of 5 can mean many different things. 3 means if you're in the middle. So basically now it's only 1 and 5. Boring. - AlphaQ

I hardly hate anything because I can see that almoat everything has aspects that are better or worse. What makes it good or bad is what in the end overweighs the other, plus personal opinion. Also when I'm a fan I don't go out like " the best ever and who doesn't like it can f off", I often can see that my favorite bands have some flaws, and that artists I don't like at all also have a certain appeal. And when I really think something is entirely good or bad, I'll try to explain why if I decide to talk about it.
But it appears extremely little users do that. - Martin_Canine

25 Spammers

Like the visitor who endlessly spams his/her hatred of The Lion King/Guard and Kingdom Hearts.

26 Hypocrisy

They don't want people to touch their favorite interests but they keep on doing that to them, Double Standard! - Neonco31

A prime example is this list.

27 Lack of Policies Against Bigotry
28 People Attacking Pop and Rap Fans

Can I not listen to my eight hour Taylor Swift playlist in peace without getting attacked with at least 1,989 Michael Jackson and hardcore metal fans?

Can I not listen to eight hour Taylor Swift playlist in peace without getting attacked with at least 1,989 Michael Jackson and hardcore metal fans?

I'm not a Belieber because I "defended" Justin Bieber. I don't like him as a person. I just say that his music isn't the worst thing in the world. Okay? - naFrovivuS

This is getting annoying. I'm sorry for pointing fingers but I'd say the biggest culprits are metalhead. - AlphaQ

29 Trolls
30 Indocentrism

Am I the only one that's noticed there must be an Indian majority on the top tens? It's as though every top ten best countries to live in or top ten best militaries..India's always toward the top. According to theTopTens, that guy who wrote the Indian constitution is the greatest person to walk the earth. And do you seriously think India has a better military than Israel or China...it's a bit biased. - JustAnAccount

31 People Complaining About Comparison Lists

To be fair this and dating lists are the worst things to ever happen to this site. Check out my list of "worst who should date who lists" and see how outdated it is. 2016 was the worst year yet for this site. - IronSabbathPriest

I've been here for a few months, wow does this site have so many flaws. - isaaonrtdmtr

To be fair, though, comparison lists are just honestly a waste of time. - Swellow

Yepyep lads you're difinitely going to change things with your eight paragraphs of rustled thesaurus. Canc - Puga

32 Fake Accounts
33 Too Much Drama
34 Everybody hates Serena

Regardless of your thoughts on her, you must realize how one-sided the argument is. - Frouze

35 Plagiarism
36 Racism

That is why the country hating lists still exist. - MChkflaguard_Yt

That worst countries list still exists

37 Discrimination
38 Special Snowflake Syndrome
39 Too Much Hate on Ash from Pokemon
40 Rabid Frozen Haters
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