Top Ten Lame Arguments Used by ChristiansHere they come again, Bible in hand, on a mission to save your soul. Prepare to eye-roll!
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What this question is really trying to get to is "why is there something rather than nothing?" and the answer to that is I don't know and neither do you. I am not claiming to have an answer to that question however you are claiming that you do have the correct explanation, and I want to know what evidence you have that your particular explanation is the correct one.
Let that sink into you. How DID you get here? The big bang you say? Alright, let's say that there were two billiard balls. One gets hit with a cue ball, and goes 3 mph. That ball hits the other ball, can it go more than 3 mph? No, of course not. In the big bang theory, two atoms hit each other head-on then exploded, creating the universe. Can two atoms seriously hit each other and create something bigger than possibly another element? No, it can't.
So, to answer how do you think you got here. The answer: GOD!
Hit the wrong button the first time. The question asks "How do you think you got here? " The answer is sexual intercourse between my parents. It doesn't ask anything else deeper than this.
Second: I don't understand why so many religious people absolutely refuse to study the science they wish to discuss, or try and refute. Before the big bang was cosmic inflation, and there are really good, potential explanations for what caused it. We just need to do more research. Time did not exist before this period, and as such, there wasn't any beginning, as many like to claim. The big bang wasn't even an explosion, that's just a term used to generalize it, so people can understand it easier. Imagine a black hole, where all the matter in it is condensed into a space the size of an atom. Then imagine this black hole spraying out everything inside it, you get a whole lot of stuff, coming from a very small point.
Just because we don't know for sure, doesn't mean we can never, and will ...more
It's a long way off and many won't be around but 2067 is supposed to be the end of Christianity in Britain.
As long as the keep Christmas around but just call it Crimbo, Yule, Saturnalia or Winter Solstice.
Maybe change Easter too Ostara.
Seems to me that religious people are only aware of one alternative theory : the big bang. There are more theories than the big bang who are equally plausible. The oldest and now the less plausible theory is the god-theory. It's modern science and it's progressions that will maybe someday explain the beginning of the universe. It's certainly not the sudden proof of existence of god that will explain it!
I believed for thirteen years. Someone I knew believed and he used his religion to justify his poor actions. "God has a plan". He drank himself to death.
I'm not a Christian but I once heard a pastor say that God answers every prayer. He answer with "yes" "no" or "not yet"
So is this the equivalent of saying that if you see a film, you MUST be an actor or actress?
Me age 10 years old Dear God Can I have some money please Amen. Later no money. LOL.
Listen even if Christian God exists...and he has committed the sin of sloth lazy to not appear on earth in our time. He would not send his son down here to behave like a monster, Jesus who was supposed to be peaceful. "Fundie who believes come to Heaven" "Sinner you will be beheaded" The seas turn into blood, some evil looking horsemen appear, Sinners go to Hell.
That's crap because if you had to believe that than we're in the end of times for more than thousands of years now. However, I saw that you " cameo " will stop and make an end at your top ten sites ( for me that's worst than the end of times because your sites were really good ). Can you can reconcider it to do not so?
We are maybe in the beginning of the end ( I'm not sure about that ) but even if this was true it would be the people's fault. Unless god decided suddenly that his creation will be bad people now. Doesn't make any sense if you ask me!
I am a Christian and I agree that it is annoying how most other Christians say that we are in the end times. God clearly states that nobody knows when the world will end. It could be a long time from now.
First, not only some Christians gave this argument.
Second, we came from great apes.
We also have evolved from single-celled organisms
I agree on that one. The evolution theory is not an exact science but it also doesn't proof that therefor we came by the hands of a god. Just because science hasn't the answers yet to that question doesn't mean that one day that science will not be able to explain this.
Actually humans are more closely related to the great apes, not monkeys. And to everyone saying we evolved from fish, we evolved from single-celled organisms.
Monkeys came from other, less evolved monkeys and the evolution split down the line. We did not come from monkeys. Don't say this and look stupid.
The burden of proof isn't on somebody to prove that something doesn't exist, it's for somebody to prove that something does exist. Especially if the atheist isn't saying they believe that there is no God, but just saying they merely lack a belief that there is a God.
I had 3 seizures in one day, I was still alive and breathing but everything blacked out like nothing there. There is no humans, no animals, no earth, no space, no sun, no moon, no living room and chair that I was sitting on. that's what it looked like.
What if when someone passes away that happens.
Then why doesn't he reveal himself.
If he exists then I think questions in Heaven would be not reveal.
Is he shy? busy? hates earth being more full of conflict? dead? killed by people who didn't want to go to Hell?
Well can you prove that God does exist? No. And don't say " then why are you here" because like I already said, evolution and reproduction.
If god is omniscient it means he knows the future. If he knows the future it means that the future will develop the way he knew. If the future shouldn't develop that way it means he didn't knew the future. If everything develops because his omniscient it also means that everything happens necessary. And if everything happens necessary it means that there is no free will. You can't change something that will happen necesserary. And if there's no free will it means that people aren't responsable for their sins and acts. If god punish people because of their sins from wich they are not responsable it would mean that god is immoral. The conclusion is : Or god is omniscient and also immoral or he is not immoral but in that case he isn't omniscient. Logic says that god can't be omniscient and good if he gave free will to men. In more logical terms it means that there is no god and for that matter a god-given free will.
If you say that god give us limited free will ( this wouldn't be free anymore ) like you can't choose your species or you can't fly like superman ( like you wrote in your comment ), it would be saying that he gave free will with the conditions of nature. But nature is not neccerssally a god giving thing. You can ( and I'm sure we will one day ) explain nature by science proof.
So we have free will to do whatever we want yet God has a plan and knows exactly what we're gonna do in our lives, doesn't that seem a little contradicting to you?
Looks like he accidently made them TOO intelligent then, cause so many don't believe in him!
Again, this is not a lame argument. Beleivers say this because they know that there is more to the interaction between God and humanity than the stupid deus ex machines seen in certain forms of entertainment.
This started being said after people started realizing so many things contradict the bible, and shouldn't be happening if that god existed. It's also used as a means of saying, "I don't know, I don't understand, it shouldn't be happening, and I can't explain it, or this is tragic and I can't find a way to console you". Not an argument for god.
My church used to say this every time I would ask a question about God. I started doubting religion the exact moment they told me this sentence.
Just a fancy quote to saying without admitting that they can't explain what is happening or giving a answer to something.
They pretty much always use this whenever there's a hole in their logic
The bible is made by humans, so if you say " the bible says " it's the same thing that you say " people say ". And if I had to believe the morals and thinking of the stupid people that made the bible Thousand of years ago I would be stupid myself.
The bible says you have to stone people who are blasphemers to death.
People reason hatred against homosexuals with "the bible says it's bad" yet I wanna see somebody who is stoning a person for blasphemy. I mean, the bible says so...
The only argument they have. Which is not very good one
Yep, it's a book. Written by humans. Who are flawed.
Still the question of the ages.
It made itself.
Out of nothing.
And WHOSE faith is nonsensical?
Why ask who? This question presupposes a god of some kind. Why not ask the better question, "what's the explanation? " For that, we have cosmic inflation, and the big bang. All testable, and backed by evidence.
It's this very simple answer that you Christians refuse to believe in, it's called science
Answer: The Big Bang
Why can't you Christians believe the works of science already?
Maybe the universe was made in a universe cluster along with other universes?
Yes and no. The Hebrews mixed history with theology, but there are huge portions of the bible that exaggerate, or try to tie religious belief with factual history, much of it being based on, or identical to, earlier Mesopotamian religious beliefs, in spite of things they knew were true even then. As well as many that contradict themselves. It is first, and foremost, a book of Christian theology, not history.
No, it isn't. But it's a great read, all those 1000+ pages.
The Bible is a religious text
Not sure if it is
This argument is flawed for so many reasons. First off you're only concerned about not going to the hell of your specific religion. What if you're a Christian but Islam ends up being the one true religion, and you go to Muslim hell for being a Christian and not a Muslim. All other religions can make this argument for why you should believe in their particular religion. How would you determine which religion is correct? In addition, if it turned out that all religions are wrong and there is no God, then you wouldn't lose nothing, you would lose doing whatever you want for the one and only life you know you have. Also belief is not a choice. You either become convinced of something or you don't, but you don't choose whether or not you're convinced. I never choose to stopped being convinced that there is a God, I couldn't help but to stop being convinced. To any Christian reading this, if you truly believe that belief is a choose then I dare you to stop believing in God for the next ...more
I see this all the time, and the problem with this is that EVERYTHING has a risk. If you played it safe with everything, well, if I leave my house, a axe man might kill me, or I might die in a car accident, but the chances of this are slim, so I still go outside.
Another problem is that you can't 'put on' religion like a coat. It's not a belief unless you actually Belive it. And, if you're an atheist like me, it's hard to change your mind.
Remember to a Christian the fear of getting killed every time you leave the house is nothing compared to the fear of hell because they truly believe that those who are not "born-again" go to hell and the Christian does this to make you think about the risk and if it's really worth gambling with your soul. Of course if this the only reason to be a Christian then we can apply the same philosophy to all the other religions that send you to hell if you don't believe and at that point your most likely to pick the wrong religion anyway
I was like 7 years old, at a sort of special daycare meant for children with mental disorders (Not very bad disorders, don't worry, I'm not a psycho.), and I was in the car back to the daycare because we went on a trip that day. During the car ride, the subject touched on religion. I said I didn't believe in god, and the other girl that was with me in the car simply said; ''Then you'll go to hell.'' Needless to say my 7 year old self was stressed out for the rest of the day.
I would rather be an atheist than a catholic(I am a Christian). Why? Because breaking God's commandments is the same as not believing. Note: some Catholics are actually good people and God is calling them out to quit.
This is known as Pascal's wager. It argues for a god that's stupid and doesn't know much of anything. You would figure a god would know if someone truly believed, or was just taking out a fire insurance policy.
If he died or if he had lived what would be the difference in my life?
And does that change my life in any way?
So he died for billions of people?
I agree with you completely.
Personally, I think hell is fictional. And if I die, then I (plus everyone who dies) will stay in my grave.
Only if you did something really unthinkable, such as committing terrorism or murder.
It might not be so bad. I mean, they say there's pizza with pineapple there.
No, you don't go to hell WHEN you die. You go to hell AFTER you die.
Ok I'm a Christian, and I cringe whenever I hear this argument. It's like saying that you're still alive because 2 midgets dropped a ring into a volcano. Do you think Lord of the Rings is a history book? No, you don't and Atheists don't think the Bible is a history book and therefore don't believe in God, so to an Atheist asking God forgiveness is like praising Frodo and Sam for their courage.
Ok looking back the Lord of the Rings refrence looks a bit akward, but it hopefully got the messagd across.
What do I have to be forgiven of? The things that god said I'm guilty of just for having been born? Why ask for forgiveness, when it's better to set your wrongs, right? Isn't it better to make up to the person you wronged, rather than just ask god for forgiveness and call it a day? This is just moral laziness. The thought that anyone deserves to be punished for not thinking the right thing, is barbaric.
Conscience. And if they think that their conscience is clear it means that they think that they didn't do anything wrong because it's forgiven.
That one is true, to be honest.
Well, at least if you didn't commit very horrible crimes. (That way, it might not work! )
Of course you can't do all that. You have to go to confession (this is a Roman Catholic speaking).
Thanks, Captain Obvious. Because God was a human (if he even exists, of course)
Humans come from sex
This is also not a lame argument. Theists believe in a close relationship with God, but it doesn't mean that they expect God to spoil them rotten. Hard times tend be a test of faith because God wants to see if humans are strong enough to deal with the harsh reality of the world.
This is completely stupid. It requires that god be an idiot who doesn't know if someone really believes or not, and had to do things to find out. This isn't an argument for god, mute of an explanation for why bad things happen, in spite of believers praying otherwise.
If god is testing me for something I didn't ask than he must be a very evil person (or whatever he is). He likes to play with his supposed creation or what?
Why would God test me or anyone in general? Even though I am a Christian, this statement sounds stupid in my opinion.
The worst possible thing you can say to a grieving person
I'm not immortal
Don't you mean "immoral", because immortality and immorality are two different things? Just pointing out.
No, it can be possible without religion. I still have morals and I’m an atheist
This is why I hate when people say that if they’re abstinent or are pretty wholesome, they’re a “child of god”. I am abstinent and quite wholesome and I’m an atheist. If someone tells me I’m a “child of god/Jesus” because of my lifestyle, I’ll tell them to stop giving me that schtick.
So, if I'm Atheist, I'm IMMORTAL?!
That's a silly claim
But, Atheists don’t really have a faith. Or do they?
This claim made me lose a brain cell
If you just gave that to a homeless person, what would they honestly be able to do with it?
Why not give money to the poor instead of those who don't want it?
I don't want money though. That's greedy
How do you know God told you?
The worlds temperature has not increased in any major way over the past century. It may have changed a few degrees every now and then but that is completly natural and has always occurred. No doubt greenhouse gasses are a problem but overall the mass hysteria over "global warming" is complete uncalled for and defiantly should not be a concern for our government despite what Obama thinks.
Global warming shouldn’t be ignored. It’s actually a serious issue that’s harming the environment. There’s scientific proof of it
As a Christian, I disagree. Global Warming is real and we really need to fix this catastrophic situation as fast as possible.
Is the world getting colder because of atheists? If so, I take offense to that
Time is relative. You can however measure time in relation with the speed of light. But when matter goes faster than light it will transform in pure enegergy. And beyond pure energy even time stops because it's impossible to measure something that doesn't react anymore. That is a proven scientefic theory. My question is, where is god in all that?
This is not a lame argument. It is used by beleivers because God is supposed to transcends humans in everything, including patience.
The problem with this one has more to do with believers, than non-believers. It's generally used as an alternative to, "I can't explain why your prayer hasn't been answered yet, or why this prophecy hasn't been fulfilled, etc".
If god created all humans at his image, why did he create humans then who are homosexual? You are born homosexual ( sometimes you are not realizing it until later ) so why is it a sin? He gave man free will? Where's the free will in your choise of love? Nothing makes logic in all that. Unless you're saying that homosexuals choosed evil and satan and therefore it's a sin. But then comes the question again, If you were born homosexual ( it's a proven fact ) how can you choose then? I'm an atheist and I'm not homosexual but to say that there are not accepted in your irrational beliefs is very hypocritical..
I'm a Christian who believes homosexuality is NATURAL, not sinful. Being gay or straight is like being right-handed or left-handed, so it's not a choice. I'm adding this item because it is a lame reason to give as to why homosexuality is wrong. Yes, God made a man and a woman during creation so that the human species can survive and become more numerous, but it doesn't mean that the refusal to procreate in a married relationship is automatically wrong. There is so much more to a marriage than having and raising children.
Want to be clear that I'm not a Christian but you can not be a Christian if you don't believe the bible and the bible is clear that homosexuality is sinful. Yes it is undoubtedly natural in the same way that it is natural for heterosexuals to want to have sex outside of marriage which is sinful just because it is "natural" doesn't make it right. The bible says Christians must die to themselves and put away their own sinful desires. You can not believe the bible and at the same time believe that "God" would accept it.
This statement singlehandedly convinced me that God isn't real, a kind, loving God wouldn't just shun all the groups of people that he deems different, just because a man and a woman came first it doesn't mean it's the only way for love to happen, and what really pisses me off is that many Christians say it's their job to guide homosexuals down the right path, which in reality means they try to tell a homosexual person to just not be gay, which is completely stupid, a gay person can't just decide to not be gay, and for you to even try to "guide them" as you say, I think is just despicable
If God didn't want us to be homosexual then why did he create them in the first place? And if he doesn't like them, why doesn't he just strike them all down right now?
I can't believe my eyes! God made some people bad just because I'm suposed to help them? If one of those bad people is for instance a religious extremist who decides in the name of god to blow up with a bomb people who don't believe ( it can even be your family that is a victim of his acts ), I am the one who is suposed to help him? ( Response to the comment that god made bad people because we have to help them )
I know for a sure fact that I came from my mother! And besides that, what about handicap people, retarded people, bad people... is that the work of a good god?
I came from my mother, not God. Why the hell would God summon me all of a sudden?
Yes, I came from my mother and father.
How are we Satanic if we don’t believe in Satan...?
how can they be satanic when they don't believe in Satan tho
Some atheists are good
Sometimes, religious nutjobs are annoying XP
Uhh from my parents?
I get my morals from myself. And I’m a good person!