Jake Rants: Modern TheTopTens

1 - Petitions are a totally useless waste of time. This site isn't a democracy, and getting people from your vocal minority to sign it isn't democracy, either. It's oligarchy.
2 - Swearing is banned due to ad providers' policies, which TheTopTens subscribes to. If at least one swear were to be allowed, good luck with never seeing this site again due to a stop of revenue flow.
3 - Many users don't read the Terms and fall under the trap of continuously doing their nonsense which simply makes them get violations, and they will try to argue against admin in the most futile way possible. You may complain about the policy for inconsistency, but don't even dare commit actions that will go against it. It won't help your situation at all. Might as well read the terms and find ways to criticize without violating any of those. Remember that admin judges by perception, intent and context.
4 - PY98 was just consistently making violations despite any warning. You're not gonna regain admin's trust by constantly violating the terms.
5 - If the policy keeps running, I can see people replacing those guys who retired out of complaining about it. Remember that you were supposed to come here adhering with the terms, or else you should get out of the site.
6 - As for stat obsession and comments? I can't remember if I already saw someone complaining about people exploiting the comments system for stats by using the same exploit he/she did that the complainant him/herself also did. Same goes with lists. (I really don't remember if I've encountered another user who hypocritically complained about it.) - visitor (6/14/2016)

1. The petitions were made a year ago. There hasn't been any petition made ever since.
2.It is still the internet. Plus, ever heard of CENSORING swear words?
3. They actually get a warning regardless...
4. PY98 was just criticizing Canteen. If be did something else, I didn't see it.
5. The more retirements, the less popular the site will be.
6. These are NEWCOMERS I'm taking about. I've been on for almost 2 years now. I actually have ideas. And I don't just go to the T.V. guide and add the first shows I see... - visitor (6/14/2016)

1. Good thing that those learned that they shouldn't make another useless petition.
2. It's still swearing. Plus, have you heard of INCOME being generated by this site from ad providers? If they violated the ad provider's policy, you won't see this site anymore.
3. I also got a warning and I was aware of why I got them. Might as well read the Terms from time to time since after all, you agreed with it when you signed up.
4. PY98 was "just" consistently violated the Terms of Use.
5. If there are more replacements, the site will just stay in its current state of popularity.

6.
- "These are NEWCOMERS" I hope you realize that you were a newcomer before. What did people think of newcomers of your time? Note that a lot of those thoughts they had were against those people's actions, including yours.
- "I've been on for almost 2 years now" So what?
- "I actually have ideas." Yeah, like how most people say that those list ideas are those that were effortlessly made.
- "And I don't just go to the T.V. guide" And who makes remixes that were made for the sake of stats?


Have a nice day. - visitor (6/14/2016)

Consistently violating* - visitor (6/14/2016)

1. "Vocal minority" literally 80% of the popular users signed Ben and I's petitions. And don't give me that "Less than 1% doohicky, I think Pos' opinion matters more than ILoveCookies67 with her single remix.
2. The only big and rich website with swearing banned is Wikipedia. How does YouTube and Twitter make all its money if it can't make revenue money?
3. Ignore people like that. Their opinions are irrelevant.
4. Undisputable.
5. So because Velitelcabal has a vision admin should ignore the concerns of the people who built this site? This site is dying, less lists, boring feeds. Feels like a forum with about 30 members.
6. lol - Puga (6/14/2016)

I only had like 2-5 lists on my first month... - visitor (6/14/2016)

@Velitelcabal TTT should be a democracy. At least with businesses the staff ask the customers what they want. Admin has never done that. No hate week doesn't count because that would've went ahead were it not for us. - IronSabbathPriest (6/14/2016)

@Puga

1. "Vocal minority" literally 80% of the popular users signed Ben and I's petitions. And don't give me that "Less than 1% doohicky, I think Pos' opinion matters more than ILoveCookies67 with her single remix.

When will this user idolatry stop? Just because a popular user has a certain opinion doesn't mean it is a gospel that should be shoved down admin's throat. What if Pos or some other popular user gives an opinion backed up with stupid reasons? Should Admin respect that? No.

This site isn't going to stop for the current and active popular users, it also has to cater to visitors who may be interested in joining the site.

2. The only big and rich website with swearing banned is Wikipedia. How does YouTube and Twitter make all its money if it can't make revenue money?

Let me quote a potential response from you:

"I will say that if admin's intent for this site was to allow people to contribute intellectual discussions and debates, then he hasn't seen a quarter of the Internet." ~ ArchAces

That is exactly why he made a site that doesn't conform with most websites. You know why Quora was made? Because the rest of the Q&A websites weren't informative and were ridden with trolls and profanities. The guys who made that site decided to make a more intellectual Q&As that had no room for stupidity, despite the legalities that prevent content being perceived as stupid from getting removed.

I believe that this site is using an ad provider (Criteo) that has a policy on inappropriate content that they have to comply with. Regardless of the provider allowing profanities or not still does not comply with Admin's objective.

3. Ignore people like that. Their opinions are irrelevant.

That means your opinions are irrelevant. You are one of those people being referred to in that statement.

4. Undisputable.

So stop bringing up his suspension and account deletion as a "flaw" in the policy.

5. So because Velitelcabal has a vision admin should ignore the concerns of the people who built this site? This site is dying, less lists, boring feeds. Feels like a forum with about 30 members.

You guys have turned this site into a forum of 50 members. It was already that way before the policy started (the decrease in members started in January 2015). Admin did a favor to the even older users who contributed 75% of useful content in the site, knowing that most new/popular lists during that time were already revolving around the site's community and personal user drama. (Take note of BK's post on this)

@Jake

And then after that month, you run around making lists and comments for the sake of stats? Then complain about others commenting for stats? You're hilarious.

@ISP

What you guys are trying to propose is a mobocracy wherein if you are trying to propose something that you want which is contrary to admin's views or for something that would serve your self-interests and not what is good for the site. I've talked to you about this whole thing already for hours. - visitor (6/14/2016)

Can someone hand me the popcorn with a Pepsi? - visitor (6/14/2016)

Jake, why should you get popcorn if you're one of the cast? Only the audience gets popcorn - visitor (6/14/2016)

I swear to God, I am five minutes before telling both of you "shut the f*ck up and stop pretending that making the 100th comment defending your opinions will somehow change either people's opinions". - visitor (6/14/2016)

All I want is for admin to give us a heads up before making changes that affect us more than them. So we can state our view and see what happens dependant on that, (like with no hate week) is that REALLY too much to ask? - IronSabbathPriest (6/14/2016)

1. Pos is more experienced, is more listened to, and knows the site better than ILoveCookies67. At least concede that users not here before the policy should not be preaching their opinions.
2. That Archie quote literally contradicts your whole statement. And I ask you again; how does Twitter and YouTube make their money?
3. Yeah, no.
5. The amoumt of members here started declining in January 2015? What a load of nonsense, it hadn't even peaked then. You also contradict yourself, claiming that user drama caused the policy. Yet in your OS of this subject you claim it was the Feb 19th post.

@Arch This is a debate. Not argument. - Puga (6/15/2016)

And I'm sorry if you feel you've wasted your time, but discussing it with me for hours isn't going to change my overall view. - IronSabbathPriest (6/15/2016)

"I swear to God, I am five minutes before telling both of you to shut the f*ck up and stop pretending that making the 100th comment defending your opinions will somehow change either people's opinions."

Did you not realize that my disagreement with Therandom has somehow changed our views of the site? And we were able to exchange ideas, and resolve certain disagreements.

"All I want is for admin to give us a heads up before making changes that affect us more than them. So we can state our view and see what happens dependant on that, (like with no hate week) is that REALLY too much to ask? "

You guys were already able to speak up against the No-Hate week, just like you spoke against the Policy. The only difference was the outcome: the policy has not been scrapped while the no-hate week has been scrapped. It just proves that you had your say on admin's actions.

Note that this site isn't like Facebook or other social media, but is more of an informative site wherein personal stuff shouldn't get in the way of discussions. As for the Policy, we already knew what happened before it was implemented more strictly, and that turned into a phenomenon of users in a forum attacking each other instead of productively stating their opinions through lists and blogs. - visitor (6/15/2016)

1. "Pos is more experienced, is more listened to, and knows the site better than ILoveCookies67. At least concede that users not here before the policy should not be preaching their opinions."

Yeah, like how certain opinions of Pos which are backed up with stupid reasons are still more listened to than someone who has an unpopular opinion but is defended rationally. Note that I technically came here before the policy even started, as I made my account in November 2014. I know that the policy was already there ever since, but was not strictly implemented. So I can preach my opinions about this topic.

2. "That Archie quote literally contradicts your whole statement. And I ask you again; how does Twitter and YouTube make their money? "

They use other ad providers. The thing here is, YT and Twitter are too popular that they can't stop ad providers and Google/SafeSearch from blocking them just because of profanities. That isn't the case with most other sites, like TTT. If the no-swearing policy wasn't implemented strictly, like it happened before the policy, search rankings of this site would drop. Note that I came across this site due to the high search ranking it has in so many music lists, and if it had excessive profanity, its search rankings would drop or would not even show up at all. Let me quote SEOSiteAnalysis.com on this:

Certainly, the context of the word affects how strongly people react against its usage. We can truly understand the context, but search engines cannot fully understand. Google and other search engines have sets of filters to prevent profanity. One example of how they do this is Google's "SafeSearch" filter. Granted, this is disabled by default and is intended for filtering "sexually explicit content", but individual can enable this feature. If your web pages have sexually explicit words, images, etc., users with this filter enabled will not see your web pages in the search results. Thus, these websites will lose some traffic.

An Insight to Google's Thoughts on Profanity

While this might not tell what Google does with its search results, it does show that Google implements profanity filters on their websites. Google's What Do You Love website implements a filter into the search. To see this in action check out this URL:

http://www.wdyl.com/profanity? q=
Try placing a profanity word after the "q=". You will notice that it returns true, which indicates that it is a word that Google blocks.

Profanity Deterrence

Another element to consider is how likely users would be to click on your web pages in the search results. Even if your web pages are not penalized for profanity, it seems likely that a user would prefer to click on web pages without profanity in their title or description. Certainly, some users would not be deterred, but at least a few would choose another web page. It might be because the user believes profanity creates a lack of trust or confidence in the information. How many scholarly paper's use profanity? Not very many.

Relevance of Profanity

Finally, we should consider the relevance of profanity. The question is what does profanity really add to the text. Typically, these words are not descriptive. There are certainly excellent times to use these words, such as grabbing someone's attention. However, if one has a sufficient vocabulary, these words can be replaced and create the same effect without the possibility of offending their users. Consider using the F word to add emphasis to something. The word can be used in so many different ways. Google might see this word as a keyword (if it is used often) and place your website in the same neighborhood as other websites that use these words. Think of other websites that might use this word frequently. Do you want your website associated with those websites?

more info on: http://www.site-seo-analysis.com/seo-articles/websites-should-not-use-profanity/

3. Yeah, no.

You don't even pay attention to every word written on the terms.

5. The amoumt of members here started declining in January 2015? What a load of nonsense, it hadn't even peaked then. You also contradict yourself, claiming that user drama caused the policy. Yet in your OS of this subject you claim it was the Feb 19th post.

Let's get this straight: the policy has been created because the site has gone downhill due to multiple factors, such as the "the phenomenon of the site becoming forum for attacking each other", specifically made rants about users, excessive trolling and user drama, and the Feb 19 post described those. The REAL peak of this site was in 2010-2012, where there were loads of users and visitors actually contributing loads of legitimate and productive content. - visitor (6/16/2016)

#Drama #INeedSomePopcornNow. Sorry, just watching the drama load. - JaysTop10List (6/16/2016)

@Jay: Want some dew with it? - visitor (6/16/2016)

You're part of the drama too... you ain't no bystander... anyways, carry on. - JaysTop10List (6/17/2016)

Makes me laugh knowing that a cast of the drama is trying to pretend he's a bystander and thinking that he could fool the audience lmao - visitor (6/18/2016)

1.Literally the only bad argument Pos has ever made is about rap music, SwagFlicks even said it in the post. Don't let your personal grudges get in the way of the debate.
2. And what about comments that aren't seen in Google Searches? People only search for the title of a list they don't even know exists.
5. The site was not a hellhole in late 2014, believe it or not. Everyone was beginning to ignore the War as it went on. The only real drama in early 2015 was BBYes, the only troll I ever fell for. And yet admin makes the policy on Feb 26 because a visitor reminds him of month-old events.

And I ponder this question: what has the policy done to improve this site's atmosphere?

@Jake That's liks a lawyer eating popcorn in court. You're not funny or interesting. - Puga (6/22/2016)

1. Literally the only bad argument Pos has ever made is about rap music, SwagFlicks even said it in the post. Don't let your personal grudges get in the way of the debate.

I'm just citing him as an example. And it still doesn't give the major users the right to influence the decisions of the administration. Debate.org has many members but has a small percentage of active members compared to its total, should the site administration body simply get influenced by those suggestions given by such a vocal minority? Take note that there are a number of users here who visit at least once a week but consistently while they don't really dabble with community issues. Should admin just ignore those users? They still have to be taken into consideration in the administrator body's point of view.

2. And what about comments that aren't seen in Google Searches? People only search for the title of a list they don't even know exists.

Did you mean comments on FB or comments on TTT? Anyway, lists here have degraded in quality over time, due to comments laden with personal attacks and curses, which destroys the relevance of the comments to its list topic in such a way that those comments don't help anymore in boosting search engine results. Take note of those miscellaneous lists that don't get on top of the search results because of the lists getting littered with personal attacks and expletives.

5. The site was not a hellhole in late 2014, believe it or not. Everyone was beginning to ignore the War as it went on. The only real drama in early 2015 was BBYes, the only troll I ever fell for. And yet admin makes the policy on Feb 26 because a visitor reminds him of month-old events.

I believe that Admin realized that the actions of the vocal minority community were already destroying the whole course of the site and given it the sudden change in direction. The site doesn't revolve around that community, but also for users like Ajkloth, MatrixGuy, Alexandr and others who were still part of the site community but not of the ultra-vocal sector. Plus I also think Admin got one final warning from Criteo about his own violations to that policy, which made him take drastic actions. - visitor (6/23/2016)

Puga won this from the looks of it. - visitor (6/28/2016)

Therandom, you're not the judge, the whole audience body is. - visitor (6/29/2016)

Ffs, it was my judge. You're getting on my nerves lately you know. - visitor (6/30/2016)

As if you have never gotten on my nerves in the last three months. - visitor (7/1/2016)

I don't gaf, I've gotten on three people's nerves(one who I've patched up with, and the other I never speak to). You managed to annoy way more people than me. - visitor (7/1/2016)

Matt has a point. Plus you munch curry - Puga (7/1/2016)

You gave enough f---s to say something about it - visitor (7/1/2016)

Just wanted to make my statement. - visitor (7/2/2016)

Umm...I'm in, - Nateawesomeness (7/25/2016)

And it looks like the anoymous visitor wins,jake got f*ckin destroyed,and Puga loses by a hair - Nateawesomeness (7/25/2016)

Visitor, the admin is practically a leader. A leader leads, yes, but a leader also needs to listen to their subjects to improve. The admin didn't listen to his subjects. - visitor (3/9/2017)

4. Canteen is supposed to be Danteem. Blame autocorrect. - visitor (6/14/2016)

Canteen is controversial, Danteem is something you drink water from lol. - Skullkid755 (7/1/2016)

No,canteen is what prisoners drink - Nateawesomeness (7/25/2016)

Hmm, I admit we're kind of short on good users on here, but I hope you can understand that there are also many good gems from my generation such as me and my friend Skullkid755. I wish there were more people from our generation that would try to work as hard as us and other hard-working new generation users here on TheTopTens. - visitor (6/16/2016)

Making TTT a democracy is as absurd as making Facebook one. Actually, 30 signatures is not that much, considering the total number of users. That's like saying that the people with the most friends on Facebook can make the decisions. - visitor (6/17/2016)

Exactly. Imagine the celebrities deciding everything for every social media site. - visitor (6/18/2016)

People need to stop comparing TTT to popular websites. They're different because of that. - IronSabbathPriest (6/20/2016)

30 signatures from 30 big users was big at the time and admin at the very least should've had the balls to consider it. - Puga (6/22/2016)

As if the major users and top contributors of Quora (a site that isn't that popular) have the power to influence the decisions of its site's administration body. - visitor (6/22/2016)

We actually contribute and work for the site for free (at any time of course). Facebook users just consume the product. That's one difference. - IronSabbathPriest (6/24/2016)

Quora users are also answering questions for free. Do the major users get to influence the administration's decisions? No. - visitor (6/24/2016)

In all honesty I think they should. If they cared as much. - IronSabbathPriest (6/24/2016)

If you don't like the policy, just do stuff besides hate on users, those hated users feed off of criticism anyway.Well, most of them. - Skullkid755 (7/1/2016)

I'm referring to trolls and people who get worse the more hate they get. - Skullkid755 (7/1/2016)

Okay, I'm tired of waiting. Now EpicJake, I would like to ask you something. Of all the new generation users on here, who do you think are actually good? Are me and Skullkid755 good new generation users as well? I apologize if I'm acting a bit too obsessed with wanting your approval. - visitor (6/18/2016)

Don't even ask the approval of someone who made lists for the sake of stats and at the same time complaining about people who make comments for the sake of stats. - visitor (6/20/2016)

He follows me,so yea,were friends - Nateawesomeness (7/25/2016)

30 signatures is not much, there are like 900+ users here... - TwilightKitsune (6/19/2016)

Those 30 users were more active that the other hundreds put together. - IronSabbathPriest (6/22/2016)

How many are active? - Puga (6/22/2016)

Yeah, am I the only one here who notices how many users do very little and never return. - Skullkid755 (7/1/2016)

Like dark ike, who I hate anyway for his biased love of call of duty and bad reasoning of hating other first person shooter games. He claimed half life 2 copied call of duty. - Skullkid755 (7/1/2016)

Velitelcabal's statements: intelligent, factual, most impressive. - Crwth (6/20/2016)

Your point? - Puga (6/22/2016)

No offense sweetheart but who the hell are you - IronSabbathPriest (7/2/2016)

Guys, read my latest blog. - visitor (6/23/2016)

Lol It is my fault your now at number 10,look at the guy above you in Most comments,it's me - Nateawesomeness (6/30/2016)

Good for you... - visitor (6/30/2016)

Sorry,not trying to brag,sorry if I sound pec like I was :( - Nateawesomeness (6/30/2016)

It's ok. Just don't do it again. - visitor (7/1/2016)

Ok,I'm gonna be useful and get on topic now,I want the policy removed - Nateawesomeness (7/25/2016)

Only one problem with the post:The stat obbsessed users section,yes they do it for the stats,but they also do it for the sake of working hard,besides,only me and htoutlaws are the stat obbsessed users - Nateawesomeness (7/26/2016)

Now I know why everyone was upset about this. - Hotheart123 (12/11/2016)

Can't believe the admins censored a website about sharing your opinions. You can't criticize other users? That's ridiculous. Statpadding users are terrible too. - DCfnaf (4/13/2017)

Poor Dant, I felt bad for him - ChuckECheese (7/4/2017)

Danteem Was Pretty Gross With All Those Disgusting Porn Posts He Made - JPK (8/6/2017)