Top 10 Reasons Why Super Smash Bros 4 Sucks

The Top Ten

1 Too many unwanted characters

Agreed that Bayonetta is way too sexy and inappropriate for this game, and her own games are overrated anyway. Yeah, I can just not buy her, but I still have to endure everyone else talking about her being in this game.

Couldn't disagree more about Rosalina and Peach since they're actually my mains, but Corrin for the sole purpose of promoting his/her/its game and Bayonetta who shouldn't have been THAT popular with Smash's audience, definitely unwanted.

Lots of these reasons are invalid. "not enough Mario characters? " they're plenty of Mario characters! "too many characters with swords? " what kind of a reason is that? Sorry, but I disagree with this list. - nintendofan126

Too many Mario Characters.

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2 Too many Fire Emblem characters

I don't think it's too many. It's fine the way it is. Besides, there hasn't been enough Fire Emblem representation in the older Super Smash Bros. games. Heck, there are even no FE trophies in Melee other than just the two playable characters. Also remember that this is a franchise that has TONS of characters, with an all-new cast introduced in every two games in the series.

I agree having non iconic characters really makes them vague and since they have the OP counter they just might be here for the reason of being OP

This is not good why do we need so many fire emblem characters - WWEWBMortalKombatFan

They're as much pokemon than FE character and pretty much the same for mario character so it isn't a big deal

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3 Too many characters with swords

So... we're just going to forget one of the most important weapons in Video Games and military history? Look at who we'd lose if we did so:
Link
Toon Link
Ike
Roy
Cloud Strife
Marth
Robin
The Female Fire Emblem Character whose name I forget
Pit and Dark Pit

These characters all use the sword differently as to warrant appearing. It would be like saying too many cartoony characters...

What? Swords are like the #1 weapon in video games. Well, maybe #2 since Call of Duty is so popular. But really. I personally do not have a problem with sword characters. - Matt0418

THIS is your reason? "too many characters with swords"? You're kidding, right? - Garythesnail

I agree but keep link,toon link,pit and dark pit. They are the best and they are my favorite.PS, Dark Pit and Pit have BOWS and shields. Not SWORDS.

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4 Too many clone characters

Sometimes clones can be changed or improved. Luigi used to be a Mario clone, but now he has a few different moves that distinguish him from his own brother.

I agree, clone characters are annoying. Dr. Mario is almost identical to Mario, Dark Pit is almost identical to Pit, *flame shield* Toon Link is nearly identical to Link. - Garythesnail

There only 3 clones Melee had like 7 it doesn't have too many clones.

I agree this is a problem. But rather than entirely remove them, I wish they'd just make them UNIQUE. Looks like smash 5 doesn't care ***ECHO CHARACTERS*** - RevolverOcelot

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5 Too many non-Nintendo characters

I can forgive Sonic, Mega Man, Pac Man, Ryu, and Cloud due to their iconic status in the gaming world at large, but Bayonetta?

Sonic, Mega Man, Pac Man, Ryu, Cloud Strife and Bayonetta are the only ones I can think of who appear as playable fighters in the game. I don't think that's too many, as it is just enough. Keep in mind that any non-Nintendo character who appears are just 'guest characters' and these are common in a lot of games these days, so SSB isn't the only one.

One non-Nintendo character is too many. Nintendo may include any characters they want, but it takes away from the game.

I like all third party characters, but you had to cut some, they would not be:
Pac-man(cause when you think about it, HE'S the most ionic video game)
Sonic (Also popular and Nintendo is on good terms with Sega)
Mega Man(The second to most wanted newcomer behind Sonic)
I don't mind the rest, but if we're gonna cut some third party guys, it better not be those three I just talked about. - Drawbox

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6 No Touhou characters

Reimu and Marisa should be in the game

7 Online spammers

Well You Can't Blame The Game (It Rhymes, lol), Its Other People Who Are Playing It Too - VideoGamefan5

That's JUST THE COMMUNITY

THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE STALE SYSTEM, PLEASE!

8 Everyone online uses Cloud or Bayonetta only

You might encounter an Ike player if you're lucky, but even then the luck is in "better buy a lottery ticket" territory.

It's as if the other characters don't exist.

Once in a while I might encounter Sonic or Ike, but yeah otherwise those annoyingly cheap third-party characters keep showing up for battle.

Smash was never about them!

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9 No adventure mode

I gotta agree. I was so disappointed when I discovered there was no adventure mode. They should make it in the next one, along with 8 player smash. - BlueTopazIceVanilla

Legit the best part about brawl was the adventure mode

Adventure mode was awesome! It makes me really angry that Smash 4 doesn't have one!

They should've had adventure mode because if not,why bother playing.

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10 Classic mode is completely random

Melee's Classic mode used to have structure, but now, it's just a board with random swarms of random
characters fighting in random stages.

No target test stages

No trophy mini-game

Completely random prizes

The Contenders

11 No Hyperdimension Neptunia girls

We do need the nep

We need Nep Nep and Noire

12 Because Melee fans are stuck in the past

The reason why Super Smash Bros. Melee is better in my opinion is because like, back in brawl the graphics were great how Mario has jean patterns on his overalls and in Smash 4, he has plain blue overalls. I like melee graphics better than Smash 4's graphics. I like how there is not a single non-Nintendo character in this game (So did the first one). Jigglypuff is so ruined in Super Smash 4. Jigglypuff's eyes and mouth is ruined. Melee Jigglypuff is way cuter. Enough said... - bugger

This is the reason people think it sucks. Everybody whines about the ONE problem with Brawl(occasional tripping), and they want 5,000 new DLC characters in Smash 4, while they don't even notice that both those games have 10 times more material(and better overall material). - Garythesnail

Melee? , What Is This? , 2008? - VideoGamefan5

That's not true, I saw Hungybox last weekend

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13 No Break the Target

Well I Actually Enjoyed Break The Target, But Still - VideoGamefan5

14 Many characters are over powered

All of them are - Nateawesomeness

So? , I Don't Have A Problem With That - VideoGamefan5

No they aren't

Yeah, greninja is too powerful

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15 It doesn't teach you how to fight in-game

This is a blessing. I hate it when games force me to go through boring, dragged-out tutorials that prevent me from playing the actual game. I prefer learning as I play. - ShuhBanggg

I don't even own the game, but I played this great game before, and this list has one correct item. - Therandom

There's this great new thing called the instruction manual. - Garythesnail

Not really, they don't teach you anything that is really useful while fighting those Tournament douchebags who are way too good at the game

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16 Yukari Yakumo is not in this game

Yukari would be a better character for Smash rather than Bayonetta

17 Awful music re-arrangements

How could they ruin so much great music!? Seriously, the main theme is forgettable (the Final Destination theme sucks especially) and the remixes are bad overall! The only consistently good music is from Melee or Brawl!

There's not that many Smash 4 exclusive remixes, but a ton of them are far inferior to the original songs. I'm looking at you In The Space Pirate Ship and Xenoblade Chronicles Medley.

I don't agree to any of those. Many remixes are awesome! (An Obstacle in Our Path is a great example).

Smiles and Tears! What have they done to you?!? - WarriorCatsHater

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18 Salty players

Same Thing I Said About "Online Spammers", Its Other People Not The Game, You Dumb Dumbs - VideoGamefan5

Salty is something players say just for being toxic you know. - AngusMacdonaldMii

That's the fan base not the game

Every time you go on for glory they're is that one salty player that rages at you calling you a scrub or U.SUCK it's just a game after if you win or lose to someone get over it! and then there trolls that do anything to make you salty such as crouch spamming or taunt spam.

19 The big Smash Ballot

Given that Bayonetta didn't actually win (was said to just be "very popular in Europe"/"within the top 5"- had she actually won outright they would have said so) and the more I hear the claim that while she's not first-party Nintendo "saved" her home series, I'm starting to wonder if the ballot was just for show and to earn Nintendo PR points when in actuality they had planned to put Bayonetta in anyway no matter who actually won.

Are we absolutely sure this isn't to blame for Cloud's presence as well as Bayonetta's? No, I don't think either of them belongs in Smash.

Funny how several characters who likely had more votes than the obnoxious Sarah Palin lookalike have now been confirmed for Ultimate, thus proving they were indeed "realizable"...

Only if they hadn't voted for Bayonetta... - SwiftBlur

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20 Removal of good characters

The Ice Climbers were this close to actually being in the Wii U version, but no can't have characters exclusive to one version or the other despite having some modes, trophies, and stages be console-exclusive.

Wolf needs to come back in brawl to me he was the best character in the game

Waluigi sucks he doesn't deserve to be a fighter but as an assist trophy

Thanks to the awful 3DS version. - Drawbox

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21 Replaced ice climbers with Rosalina and luma

They're alike but luma does all fighting

Rosalina and Lima are good

Ice climbers suck anyways - yunafreya648

MarioTehPlumber! Get outta here! - WarriorCatsHater

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22 Too much fan service
23 Horrible Lvl. 9 A.I.

The level 9 A.I. Opponents are horrible. When they're not busy spamming projectiles and especially counters, or reading every single one of your inputs, they constantly grab you and run away when you at least try to approach. On top of that, they appear to have constantly regenerating shields, no lag on any moves whatsoever, larger hit boxes for attacks, larger range for edge grabbing, and even more invincibility frames for everything. To make everything even worse, I am very certain that their resistance to attacks and their damage for all attack is buffed no matter what. If you are planning to play offline solo, don't.

Hm... yeah... I went 1-1 against a level.9 CPU and the comment I saw on this is more than right.

24 X and Zero (from Mega Man X) are not in this game

I mean, Megaman is in, why not Zero? He is even more powerful than Megaman, and also appears in other fighting games, why he should not make an appearance in Smash?

25 Shadow isn't playable

SO?!, I Mean I Like Shadow, But Who Cares? - VideoGamefan5

Uh oh, salty Sonic fangirl! - WarriorCatsHater

I hate you

That's pretty much hating sm4sh because Waluigi isn't playable. Yes, I know this list is about Sm4sh, but still, there's always Sm5sh. (Do it Nintendo! ) - TrueBlueHeroes

26 Rosalina's in it

I know who put that down - ParkerFang

MarioTehPlumber! Get outta here! - WarriorCatsHater

27 It should have Nepgear instead of Bayonetta

Bayonetta is way too wicked for this game, Nepgear is adorable

Nepgear is top tier waifu with lots of cuteness

28 No digimon

I mean, they made Digimon games on some Nintendo consoles.. Like Nintendo DS and Gameboy Advance.. I am not sure if Digimon would really fit into Super Smash Bros games. Not expecting a Digimon to appear in Super Smash Bros Ultimate either. But there are few Digimon fighting games though.. So far, I know about Rumble Arena and Battle Spirit (or something like that) series even though I didn't play that much Digimon games

People still care about Digimon..?

That's Just Stupid - WWEWBMortalKombatFan

29 It's hard trying to use the final smash attack

It takes practice. It may be hard at first but once you get better, it will be a lot easier.

Its not its pretty easy

Depends who - Nateawesomeness

It Depends - VideoGamefan5

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30 Rules YouTube

Fortnite and Call of Duty and Overwatch and Roblox and Minecraft rule youtube, not smash - B1ueNew

Wow people treat this like Minecraft like its endless. most of the new videos are just lame online gameplays I only watch stuff like trailers and CREATIVE stuff like how to get challenges and stuff and I don't like watching other stuff beacause there's too much swearing and all the comments are repetitive.

31 Bad stages
32 Almost impossible challenges

Maybe Beacause You Just Suck At This Game - VideoGamefan5

This is true

33 Rolling and spamming

This is the reason why I hate this game

Really? - VideoGamefan5

34 Not enough Kirby characters

We need bandana dee! - Drawbox

35 Inkling is not playable

You know the Inklings are going to be in SSB5 right? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

Awww. I wanted Inklings in SSB4! - Neinwott

36 Shulk is in it
37 Cloud is playable

Greatest sellout game in the history!

38 Bayonetta usurped the last character slot from more deserving characters

I don't have any hard evidence, the other commenter may or may not have any hard evidence, but the fact that Nintendo bought the Bayonetta franchise, which HADN'T BEEN SELLING ALL THAT WELL, from Sega so close to the initial ballot announcement is a little TOO coincidental to be coincidental. Also they only said "within the top five" and "very popular in Europe"- had she actually won they would've just said so.

Bayonetta's inclusion in an E10-rated game is bad enough, but now there is evidence that she was planned for the game a mere 2 weeks after the ballot was announced! This means the ballot was a lie and this is absolutely unforgivable!

That several if not all of those "more deserving characters" have since been confirmed for Ultimate is of little consolation.

39 Not enough Mario characters

It actually has plenty of Mario characters and as a matter of fact, being Nintendo's flagship series, there are more Mario reps than anything else. Even Bowser Jr. has all seven Koopalings as his alternate costumes. I'm sure if there's a new character in a future game that ends up being popular, like how Rosalina is today, it will end up to be a fighter in a future Super Smash Bros., but we'll see.

It's actually good they don't have too many. Wouldn't it get kinda boring if there were only Mario characters?

Peter Griffin: Oh My God!, Who The HELL Cares?! - VideoGamefan5

I gree

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40 Too many Pokemon characters

I like Pokemon but I respect your opinion. Not all of them say their names and they only say their names in the anime series. In the games, they each have their own battle cry that sounds similar to a real animal's. Some Pokemon do use human speech, such as Mewtwo and Lucario, so not all of them say their names all the time.

Actually, it is Nintendo's 2nd biggest franchise, so it should have at least 20% of the roster in my opinion

Couldn't agree more. They're all ugly and a part of literally the worst, most cancerous franchise EVER created by ANYONE. It boggles my mind how there are 30-40-year-olds who like this awful garbage intended solely for children of ages 6-10. It's fun killing them though, I wish they kept Kirby's final smash from Brawl so we could cook all the monsters and turn them into delicious foods again. ♥

How Hypocritical, Beacause You Said There Weren't Enough Mario Characters, And Now You're Saying There's Too Many Pokemon Characters

Mario Characters - 7
Pokemon Characters 6

There's More Mario Characters Than Pokemon Characters, Which Means This List Is Hypocritical - VideoGamefan5

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41 Most of the new music sucks

Oh my lord Smiles and Tears! What have they done to you? - WarriorCatsHater

Wow brawl music was better this s sounds lame and I don't hate this videogame infact I really love it heres the worst things about it

42 Ruined character roster profile pictures

Meta knights was really messed up

43 Literally no depth

For some strange reason Nintendo likes to remove features that make the game more competitive, from the jump from Melee to Smash 4/Brawl, here's some of what was removed/changed

- Wavedashing
-L-Canceling
-Mulishining
-Jigglypuff became tournament viable to (Rest was nerfed to all hell)
-Falco became garbage, Smash 4 is his worst iteration
- Dr.Mario is worse than Mario now for some reason
-More Fire Emblem characters, which is exactly what everyone wanted.
-Taking away characters from previous installments and adding them back as DLC (Mewtwo, Roy, Lucas)
-Much slower game speed compared to Melee
-More floatier
-Air dodging is one dimensional and can be used offstage without consequences
-Charged money to use 3DS as a controller
-Nerf patches require you to relearn your main or pick a new one altogether.
-Clones are WAY too similar to the original character (ala Dark Pit and Lucina. Take a look at Ganondorf for a clone done ...more

44 Unbalanced Items

No! Boss Galga! Go away! - WarriorCatsHater

45 Too many Zelda characters

No I don't see that - ParkerFang

46 It has Ness and Lucas, but not Ninten

I know! Why bother putting two Earthbound characters if the first ever PSI master isn't going to be in the game?

47 Long loading times
48 Only one Sega representative

They should put Tails, Knuckles, Beat, AiAi and Alex Kidd.

49 Distracting visual effects
50 No geometry dash cube

Bad sakurai

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