Top Ten Reasons Why Ivypool Is Better Than Dovewing (Warriors)Yeah. The two sisters. One is my favorite and the other.. , not so much
Dovewing, I think, is not a Mary Sue, however she is complaining about her powers throughout Bramblestar's Storm. She acts like every cat can see beavers making a dam or Leopardstar dying in the fourth apprentice, when clearly what elders, her mother, and other warriors must have told her prove it wrong! My problem is not only she complained, she complained while she was loved by her Clanmates and kin and it was as if she thought every cat hated her instead of adoring her like a sister/mate. - Honeyspirit
Ivypool defintly had a reason if your in this list, jelous? don't ask me! I think that theres really no reason that jelous is bad, unless you really over exagerate, which Ivypool did not. I think it was just really unfair. Dovewing here gets all the attention, well, not eactly hating on Dovewing, exept for she was quite a Mary Sue in Fading Echoes and The Fourth Apprentice. Ivypool still is better than Dovewing, definitely
1. She did care for Ivypool. Ivypool kinda treated her like dirt in Fading Echoes because of her jealousy. Dovewing didn't really treat her like trash, only as an apprentice a bit because Ivypool was the one who started it.
2. Dovewing wasn't with Tigerheart all the time. She also began to use her senses, and think - Have you ever thought how Dovewing woke Ivypool up when she was in the Dark Forest so Ivypool could suffer less?
3. The reason she whined was because she was used to her powers. Think of it - You were able to see a oak tree from a hundred of miles away while sitting in front of a television, but then something happens and you only see the television like if you zoomed a hundred times?
4. Rather Dovewing not act like a real mate to Bumblestripe, or Bumblestripe to get a new mate that does like him? I honestly don't care about forbidden relationships, since it was just part of the code to not have a mate from another Clan, pretty much explained in Code of the Clans.
I HATE Dovewing. She is my least fave cat! But that's beside the point. At first I loved Dovepaw/wing and thought,"Wow she will have to go through so much and make tough descisions all because of her powers. That's a pretty hard job to do! " But then this happened...Dovewing became annoying. She was constantly complaining about her powers and was on again off again with Tigerheart. Gah! Dovewing just make a decision! Stop being so whiney! Sorry for that rant, but Dovewing did complain quite a lot at least enough for me to hate her the most...ok well rant ova! Bye bye!
I don't care that this created a very important protagonist. I don't care that it took a cat out of ThunderClan, the overflow of cats. I don't care that "Oh, but Dovewing is 'special' ". It is against the warrior code, and DOVEWING BE EVIL!
So? Graystripe and Silverstream don't get hate. But Dovewing does? Half the ships are forbidden. Bluestar...Leafpool...reread the dang books.
Oh boy, forbidden love!
Why, Erin(s), why? You drove this trope into the ground.
I don't care about "ships", I care about plots, and this one is just...it adds more garbage to the so-called "storyline".
Poor Bumblestripe, a truly nice cat in the same Clan, turned away because the glorified Dovewing wanted to get down with a different cat from a different clan.
What a disappointment.
Ok so this annoys me for three reasons...
1: It's another forbidden couple.
2: The warrior code says not to get with a cat from a different clan *Cough* Bluestar *Cough* Leafpool* *Cough* Dovewing*
3: She used her powers, which are meant to save the clans, to make sure her and Tigerfart are safe when they meet secretly at night.
I just really hate this ship and Dovewing as a whole.
Ivypool, who is my favorite, had to deal with snarky comments on how Dovewing was better, and this is why Blossomfall is one of my absolute least favorite cats. Dovewing didn't have to hunt every mouse, leave something for Ivypool from time to time! Other cats viewed her as something like "the best hunter" while it was not because she was good at it, it was because StarClan had given her powers. I absolutely am angry at Dovewing for letting other cats bully her sister while she clearly could have heard that! - Honeyspirit
Mistcloud/Mist That Covers Vision: WHAT KIND OF REASONS ARE THIS. Dovewing did all she could to save the clans, while you're here giving more praise to Ivypool. Why? Because you feel sorry for her. I know, and sometimes I do sympathize for her too, but if Dovewing didn't hear that tree, Ivypool's spying part wouldn't have a purpose, because Thunderclan is already dead.
This is literally their life in a nutshell, and you're telling me she has depression?
Dovewing: Hey Ivypool, I've been getting some vibes that you're mad at me, you know we can talk any time, you're my sister and I love you
Ivypool: Shut up Dovewing! Oh my gosh you think everyone loves you!
Whitewing: Hi Ivypool! Dovewing caught this for you, she told me to tell you she's sorry
Ivypool: um ew, how couldn't she have known I HATED RABBIT!
Dovewing: Ivypool! Wanna go hunt together? I want to spend more time with you, but I've been under a lot of stress with the prophecy and everything..
Ivypool: ugh, isn't it little miss perfect, now asking *me* to hunt with her? Hah, and you consider fulfilling an ancient prophecy hard? Well I willingly help out cats I know are evil, but help anyway because you're jealous.
She has no depression. Dovewing treated Ivypool with respect, Ivypool whined and told her to stop having powers.
Ivypool was spying on the Dark Forest, trying to find out ways to defeat them, while you know what Dovewing does? She falls in love with a cat training there! As an Ivypool fan, I would like my say in this. - Honeyspirit
Imagine if you lived your whole life, set aside and shadowed buy another sibling. Not only that, but they were unaware that they did so. When you tried to tell them, they just accused you of being jealous and that they were always better than you. (Fading Echoes) By now, the person reading this should know that they're acting as Ivypool. Anyways, once Ivypool found a way to compete with her sister, she took it as her only hope. That hope was fighting, and through the dark forest. Once Ivypool figured out the dark forest were purely evil, she risked her life to spy and give information. When all came down to the battle, Ivypool was the main reason the dark forest didn't win the battle. She stayed loyal to Thunderclan and almost died while protecting her belief. Now, Dovewing, is...a different story. Dovewing whines all thetime, when she has everything a she-cat could want. She broke and mended Tigerheart's heart a numerous amount of times, showing that she doesn't really care. She ...more
They offered her a chance to prove that she was as good as her sister so obviously she took it. Then Ivypool found out they were just using her. If I was her, I’d want to stop them too.
LEAVE DOVEWING ALONE! Boy, I used to love Ivypool but now I hate her. Dovewing is awesome and she is not even close to a mary sue
Dovewing thinks she's so smart, and she should be, for her powers tell her almost everything there iss. Instead she doesn't bother to learn and is a complete idiotic dumb cat. Please, Erin Hunter, make her make better life decisions. - Honeyspirit
SO DOES LIKE EVERYCAT. Ivypool whines and complains about her sister not wanting her, and then pushes her sister away when Dovewing tries to include her in stuff and Dovewing DOES care about her sister. if she didn't love her sister then why would she beg Jayfeather to tell Ivypool the truth about the prophecy? Why would she tell her about Tigerstar? Because she's worried about her.
Absolutely. When Dovewing lost her powers, she totally lost it, and didn’t really think of others. I mean... HELLO? Did we see Lionblaze and Jayfeather acting like they were dirt? I mean sure, they had to figure out how to cope with their own power loss, but they didn’t shun their loved ones, and go sulk somewhere.
Honestly, even though I love Dovewing I can't argue with this one
Oh my gosh I hate these reasonings. use LOGIC people. she's proved her actions that she does love Ivy. It even said at one point that she wouldn't have left her sister for Tigerheart, because she loved her more. And if she didn't love her sister then why would she beg Jayfeather to tell Ivypool the truth about the prophecy? Why would she tell her about Tigerstar? Because she's worried about her. She's even said to Jayfeather that she's worried about her sister training in the Dark Forest, about what he might do to her, that she might get killed. She constantly told Ivy over and over again that she doesn't have to spy because she is worried about her. How is her love for her sister not shown? It's been shown multiple times.
Tbh-- Dove is a whiny piece of crap she complained about her powers the whole time she had them- but when they disappeared she was freaking out!
Yes she did! She cared a whole lot! Dovewing and Ivypool were so close before Jayfeather and Lionblaze discovered that Dovewing was the third. Dovewing did care, and showed it on many different occasions. To say that Dovewing didn't care about Ivypool would be a flat-out LIE! GOD!
I like both, but honestly, Dovewing did care about her sister. I honestly feel that most people don't even read the books throughly.
Ivypool, as a cat who trained in the Dark Forest, had to prove and re-prove herself over and over while Dovewing sat there examining her claws and not lifting one of them to help her. - Honeyspirit
Even though Ivypool didn’t need to, she still agreed to an oath of loyalty and worked her tail off. Dovewing on the other hand just sulked.
I know, I haven't even gotten to those books yet but Ivy is my fave and I know her WHOLE story. (Warriors Wiki sucks, but it's the only thing I could find it on.) Even after the battle, Dovewing's still over here with her ENTIRE ARC just like, "My four inch eyelashes are crooked and my claw manicure is chipped! THE WORLD HAS COME TO AN END." She just kinda sorta a little bit makes me wanna morph into some myhtical beast and explode a little bit.
YEA! Ivypool fought so much in her life that I think she needs a rest sometimes.
Ivypool is a clever cat who was tricked. She was distraught when she found out, and you know what she did? She tricked them right back with her awesomeness. - Honeyspirit
you mean her sister's mentor and her sisters mentor's tricked them, coming with the idea in the first place, I don't see you flocking to Lionblaze or Jayfeather
So true though, ivypool is a trickster!
She is so much smarter than dumbwing lol
DUDE. STOP. Dovewing NEVER loved Bumblestripe! She was pressured to be mates with Bumblestripe. A love triangle doesn’t automatically make someone a Mary-Sue. Just because Dovewing had two toms who liked her doesn’t make her a terrible cat. Dovewing was never even actually in a relationship with Bumblestripe. Squirrelflight had FOUR after her (Brambleclaw, Ashfur, Stormfur, and Shrewpaw) and do I see people complaining?
Dove Wing obviously didn't like him and he didn't back off. Dovewing should not be forced to love someone and if Bumble Stripe is SUPER creepy
Bumblestripe deserves way more. Dumb Tigerpoop (Tigerheart) just because you're all 'oh I'm so precious and I'm the only one you think about ALL the time' that doesn't mean you're actually a good cat, you're the exact opposite! Poor Bumblestripe, tried so hard and all the flippin time Dovepoo (Dovewing) was thinking about a completely different cat! I agree with Ivypool, (the most amazing cat of all time which is my first favourite cat and then Hollyleaf and then Bumblestripe) BUMBLESTRIPE IS NICE AND TIGERHEART IS JUST STUPID, SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE CLOUDS!
To the person before, If she was unhappy why did she become mates with him in the first place?
PURE MARY SUE. Well, that's my opinion. Dove just always does the right thing! Even when she's doing bad things, it's like she's doing something good!-Shadowstrike of Silentclan.
Stop hating Dovewing! She's one of my favorite cats. And Tigerheart x Dovewing is my favorite ship. haters of Dovewing, go sit in the corner and cry.
And the Oscar for the biggest Mary Sue in the universe goes to...Dovewing.
Dovewing: *scoffs* u put a full stop instead of an exclamation mark.
I can list you several flaws: - She complains - whines - slow development - lets others control her - fights and insulted her sister - crossed territories - has a forbidden love relationship - blames herself when something happens
Yes, I get that Dove should be a little uncomfortable without her powers but I believe that she acted a bit dramatic. She kept complaining, were jay or lion doing that? No! I think Dove was kinda acting like a kit. Dove shouldn't just complain, but understand that other cats have the same senses as her EVERY DAY. It kinda made me feel like she just wanted people to like her and when she lost her powers she felt like the attention would go to Ivy, thus, making her more whiny. Please do not attack me, this is just my opinion.-Darklight.
Dovewing throughout the books has shown us that she can cooperate with things well, and you know what happened when she lost her powers? She sulked even though she could cope just to have pity. Throw a pity party and invite every cat, Dovewing, but only Tigerheartstar and Bumblestripe will come! - Honeyspirit
I mean yeah she did have powers since she was born, but I think she was a bit too over dramatic. I didn't see Jayfeather screeching like that even though he's BLIND and he revolves around people's thoughts. I didn't see Lionblaze freaking out that he wasn't powerful anymore, they both adapted to it.
Dovewing was born with powers. She grew up with them. She learned everything when she had her powers. She used them ALL THE TIME. They were a part of her life.
OF COURSE she would freak out when she lost them! Imagine wearing glasses your whole life and then losing them. How blind would you feel? And I know that wearing glasses doesn't nearly compare to the abilities that Dovewing's powers gave her.
Dovewing was so accustomed to her powers, so of course she would feel upset and confused when she lost them! I don't understand how this is a problem with Dovewing's character. Her reaction only feels realistic to me. I would freak out too!
I know both of them would die for their Clan, but Ivypool would go down fighting while I bet Dovewing would rather whine at the cats and run fleeing. - Honeyspirit
Ivypoop is litterly the BIGGEST MARY SUE EVER! at least Dovewing has flaws!
1. Loving to toms at once
2. Dealing with her power
3. Coping with Ivypool
AND MORE! ''Top Ten Reason Why DOVEWING Is Better Then Ivypool! "
Ivypool's flaws. She doesn't whine. She expressed her feelings bitterly. She doesn't fall in love. She doesn't have any flaws. SHE'S. NOT. RELATABLE. EITHER! At one point she's TAUNTING HER SISTER! WHAT KINDA OF MATURE OLDER SISTER WOULD DO THAT? Ivypool is the most annoying, biggest Mary Sue, and is my 10th least fave.
RANT OVER! ALL YOU DOVEWING FANS please POST! /
by the way YES! IVYPOOL WOULD SO DIE TO HER CLAN!
She would totally die to her clan
Dovewing would also.
I know Dovewing thought everything she did was for the better, but it just made her Mary Sue level up to 40%. Being rude, lying, and complaining is never better than whatever! - Honeyspirit
So, for one Dovewing snapped at Bumblestripe ONCE, and you're saying that it makes her rude? let's see Head Bitch- I mean Ivypool over here, Ivypool snapped at her sister when she tried to include her in things, she tried to convince her sister that the dark forest cats were good, AND she started training with her grandfather's enemies, poor decisions that affected the cats around her? Thunderclan didn't need her anymore and, Shadowclan needed more warriors so she brought back the guardian cats
Basically sums up her whole life
Wow, that was a mouthful. But true
She is humble! She spied in the DarkForest every night, willing risking her life for her Clan without so much as a complain! Unlike her sister. Dovewing had her whole Clan’s attention, and all she had to do was listen, and she was complaining her head off. Ivypool deserved so much more credit than Dovewing. Without her, the Clans would probably be destroyed anyways since there’s only one Lionblaze and he could only fight at one place at a time.
Ivypool was a great cat. her sis thought that she was SO much BETTER but no. Ivy pool did so many things for her clan but so did Dovewing (but she did way less than Ivypool) she is SO STUCK UP ON HER SELF and on the other hand Ivypool thinks that shes as important as any other cat. when I read ''Sunrise'' I HATED Hollyleaf she killed silverstripe (I can't remember the cat she killed but I think that was his name) just so hewont tell her secret but than at the gathering she blurted it out and she RUIED me, leafpool ' and squerlleflight 's life. RIGHT NOW I HATE DOVEWING WAY MORE THAN HOLLYLEAF
This is the stupidest one Humble LOL that’s funny she was so humble doing all that whining and Helping the dark forest oh Yeah this Mouse brain is totally Humble
are you sure? she even states that she just joined the dark forest to make her sister jealous, when she reveals her secret to her sister, she feels barely any remorse and tries to convince her sister that the dark forest cats are good
Dovewing:Bumblestripe I'm breaking up with you cause I Have a kind mate that is related to me in Shadowclan Bumblestipe:What, that's pointless Dovewing:SHUT UP I'm joining Shadowclan because I don't get treated right here. I totally agree with this one.
Her Sister spied in Cats From hell in her dreams.
Dovewing whined about a prophecy and pointless relationships
True. that's literally all she did besides complain about her powers
SHE IS DEF NOT! She risked her life every night in cat hell and turned half of the cats against the DF (Dark Forest) She lied straight to the faces of the most menacing cats who lived and wasn't afraid.
Actually, if Ivypool hadn't warned the Clans, all four would have been destroyed.
She actually is useless. Ivypoop didn't do anything durning the battle with the DF.
No! Ivypool is the best!
Her name is not DOPEWING, won't you just leave her alone?! Dovewing had serious things going on! Tigerheart, Her powers, she saved her clan, Ivypool was being a lazy kittypet!
She ruined every thing!
1, When ivypool need help, dopewing was playing with tigerheart! she even care about her sister!
2, she was useing her power to spying tigerheart! not for her clanmates! I'd rather give it to someone who's trying to do it than complain about it.
3, she always complaining about her powers! I'm so be frightened of her words!
4, the power of three become to lion, jay, AND HOLLY! NOT STUPID DOPEWING who betraying her clan and warrior code!
Dopewing? Grow up people. Your joke ruined everything
She did ruin everything- specially her sisters life
Well when I read Ivypool,it was hate at first sight.
Dove is VERY horrible!
No, Ivypool does, because the brainless little fox though the Dark Forest was GOOD
Yes- Dove does suck, she sucks more then the badgers that killed Cinderpelt
No, Ivydrool does
I don't think I need to say anything. She almost died in cat hell every night.
She deserves more than dovewing and her kits need better names! Because thriftkit, flipkit, and bristlekit are probably too weird.
Douwing is the worst cat for mate.
(sorry dovewing fans)
That’s not true! She didn’t mean to! She didn’t know how Bumblestripe felt about her!
Very true. She left ThunderClan for her mate in ShadowClan because she was having kits. Dovewing’s loyalty should remain with her Clan, and not go lumbering off to a new Clan only because of Tigerheart/star.
Nope. Ivy shut Dovewing out, Dovewing literally tries to include her sister in everything. These people need to reread the books
NO! Ivypool shut DOVEWING out! Dove tried to include ivy, but ivy just said no! Can't you Dummies see that?
Yeah, Dovewing was all in the attention and Ivypool felt broken away. I know what this feels like because my sister is always said to be 'perfect' and MANY people (Including myself) think I'm imperfect.
Oml I hate Dovewing! Imma do a skit. that explain EVERYTHING.
Clan cats: Yay for Dovewing! She's so awesome!
Dovewing: I noe rigt people?! I lied to all of you, was super mean to Ivypool and Bumblestripe, Broke the warrior code, complained a ton, was a mary-sue, and I even shut my loser sister who is better than me out! I'm so awesome.
Ivypool: 'sarcastic' Oh, your majesty, you forgot to put an exclamation mark at the end. Oh. and you forgot to be nice, too...
Bumblestripe: Oml your right, Ivypool. Dovewing SUCKS!
Dovewing: Peasants! Get out of my way! You guys are SO meann! WAHH
Ivypool to Bumblestripe: Is she, like, fine in the head?
Bumblestripe to Ivypool: Uhh, probably not...
Tigerheart sneaks in and jumps in the conversation.
Tigerheart: Sorry 'bout my girlfriend, guys... I'll admit I don't know how we met...
Ivypool: Geez.. tell me about it...
DOVE WING GO YEAH *says in sarcastic voice* literally I hates Dove wing
Not only is she prettier, but she had a reason to spend time in the Dark Forest, and it was because of a good cause! Dovewing completely ignored her and acted like a brat towards Ivypool. Ivypool is more highly skilled and more intelligent and knowledgeable, while Dovewing is annoying, lazy, and whiny. Lionblaze never gets hurt. Jayfeather can walk in dreams. And Dovewing... can... um... hear things...
So? Ypu are just running out of ideas for hating Dovewing