Let's settle this once and for all.

I've been on this site since August of 2015, and from there, I've seen some true growth as a site. From me, and from many people here. Puga's gotten less serious, ProPanda's gotten incredibly knowledgeable, Swellow's diversified, PositronWildhawk and I have made amends, I could go on and on and on.

But there's one thing that's always held this site down from me really loving it more so than finding it a novelty: as a music nerd, I am intrigued by what a lot of people have to say about music. It's a subjective thing, there's many ways of interpreting it. However, there's a certain kind of music-heavy type of user I've always had a particular disdain for.


Specifically, the numerous lists that showcase the absolute worst that metalheads have to offer (yes, I acknowledge the difference between a fan and an elitist), and that's the type that holds the motto that all pop, electronic, and rap (especially modern) is awful and deserves to be prejudiced against, as do the people whom of which like it.

Want proof?

"Pop is real satanic" - Visitor, this list

"Which retard put metal here? Whoever did, I encourage you to blow whatever you have for a brain out with a shotgun. Metal is amazing. Bands like Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium have excellent music and inspirational lyrics. There's metal songs for whatever mood you're in. It's not all just senseless screaming and Satanism like the average retard thinks." - MetalForever1228, Worst Music Genres

"I agree! Everyone who voted to put metal on here should listen to "Welcome To Hell" by Slayer and "Hell Awaits" by Venom, because that's exactly what is waiting for them." - Visitor, Worst Music Genres

"Really? Metal is one of the worst genres? Whoever put this, YOU. CAN GO TO THE PIER, TIE A STONE ON YOUR LEG, AND THROW YOURSELF TO THE SEA! Metal is one of the best genres ever existed. No one can top Metal (except Rock)" - Visitor, Worst Music Genres

"Literally every "good" song is only auto tuned to sound horrible. And the singers have no talent and think they will die without auto tune. And it sounds bad. And freaks call everything else except whats "hot" old. Seriously Blink 182 is way better than Fifth Harmony" - Visitor, Reasons Why Pop Music Is Awful

"Honesty man, pop music is garbage and the fact that this list exists gives me hope in humanity ( making this comment while listening to testament lml)' - Visitor, Reasons Why Metal Is Better Than Modern Pop

"People are making saints out of useless pop stars, where's the intelligence?" - Visitor, Reasons Why Metal Is Better Than Modern Pop

"You are either 1 of these people: 1. Loves Pop and hates Metal OR 2. Loves Metal and hates Pop" - Oceraux, Reasons Why Metal Is Better Than Modern Pop

"If this post was really about quality and not popularity, Metallica, Anthrax, Green Day, Megadeth, and Dream Theater would be here." - PhantomMilitia, McGillaCuddy's TTT Music Awards 2016

"This selection is pop opinion and pop music is pop. Popular while they are good cause [Hardwired and Dystopia] are underrated compared to pop." - MetalObsessed, McGillaCuddy's TTT Music Awards 2016

The existence of the Reasons Why Pop Songs Are Bad For Your Brain list (nothing personal MetalThomas)

These are just a few examples in the endless sea of intolerance for anything or anyone associating with pop or its fans. And I'm not bending anything, these are word-for-word examples of people not just dismissing pop (unfairly) as a whole, but also berating its large-scale fanbase. I wouldn't really have a problem with this if they were at all aware of how ridiculous they're being, but the huge number of them and just the hoards of them show that they are unsettlingly serious.

And again, I'm not making these up. In fact, a lot of these same people try to call out US for saying these things. Additionally, whenever they claim to say that they like pop music from the old days, they always bring up Michael Jackson. Never CHVRCHES, never This Mortal Coil, never Sufjan Stevens, never Usher, never even Prince or Steven Wilson. And whenever they bring up good metal bands, it's always either Megadeth (who sold out), Metallica (who have barely had relevance besides being a laughingstock for my lifetime twice over), or Cannibal Corpse (who are awful). Meanwhile, I could bring up Ulver, Jesu, Saor, Panopticon, and Maudlin of the WELL as some really great metal bands. Think twice before saying I don't know my metal.

And I could go on about how everyone always prejudices electronic despite the talents of people like Daft Punk, Burial, Skrillex, and Jamie XX (for more go to DJPenguin999). Or hip-hop despite the talents of people like Run The Jewels, Death Grips, Kendrick Lamar, Aesop Rock, Doomtree, A Tribe Called Quest, Danny Brown, Anderson.PAAK, I could go ON here.

But really at the end of the day, I'm not asking you to like pop music, for the metalhead elitists who happen to find this. I'm just asking you to respect the fact that there are people who do. You can be comically hyperbolic about your dislike of pop music as long as you're aware of it. I like me some black metal and even a little thrash and symphonic: I don't hate metal. Don't get that out of me. We could be on the same side. Just let us both enjoy our type of music.

I sincerely hope this is the last I'll ever, ever have to cover this issue.


Merry Christmas, by the way. - WonkeyDude98

Merry christmas to you too, and yeah, there's some very bad quality comments by elitists on here - Martinglez

Geez, what's with the elitist drama? - Hotheart123

I don't know - WonkeyDude98

Idiots being themselves I guess - Nateawesomeness

Yes, finish it off. We're gonna be the ones to put elitists in their place. - Mcgillacuddy

Agree. I'm sick of this stupid and pointless "war".
I thought this was going to be fun but turns out, it's completely opposite.
From now on, let's just make neutral lists, OK? - visitor

Merry Christmas Andrew! I'm a pop fan and metal fan too, but I like pop more. Good post. - TwilightKitsune

Happy Boxing Day I believe it's called?

I'm glad the war ended before it started. You can't counterattack such savagery. - ProPanda

why - WonkeyDude98

WonkeyDude98, I kinda understand your problem here... I don't even know which category I belong here. That's right. I listen to everything and I mean everything from Tori Kelly and Alan Walker, DeadMau5 to country music - Hank Williams to A Capella - Pentatonix to rock (Guns N Roses and Pink Floyd) to metal (Death, Megadeth and Metallica) and I also listen to video game and anime/ cartoon osts.. I know. I am extremely weird in music tastes. But that's me. And some people bash me for not being a pure metalhead and some bash me for listening to pop. And what's more? I can't even speak of Country because it's the most hated genre on the site :(
I just find it hard to be entirely honest here and I think, you find it the same. - HallowedBeThyName

@HallowedBeThyName, its not a weird choice. like you I also listen to many genres. and I like country music too. - zxm

Wait... So I'm not alone? Wow... - HallowedBeThyName

Country music is amazing! - WonkeyDude98

You too, Wonkey? Well country is number 2 on the worst music genres list >:( - HallowedBeThyName

I know how you feel,I'm a guy rather for dubstep then I am any genre,and it gets incredibly annoying with idiot metalheads spamming - Nateawesomeness

I can relate to. While country and dubstep have devoted fanbases, pop-rock gets chided the most for ruining "real" rock music. Not to mention the extreme hatred of emo pop-punk over the internet (twenty one pilots, My Chemical Romance, Green Day) - ProPanda

I think Twenty One Pilots has good enough decent songs. And Green Day still rocks for me. - HallowedBeThyName

Ey I got a shoutout. - djpenquin999

SENPAI - WonkeyDude98

Thank you very,VERY much for making a post about this,i hope this post gets a lot of attention,this is why I just do not like the metal fanbase,and also,merry Christmas guys,but if you're the kind of idiot that wonkey was talking about,have a horrible chirstmas - Nateawesomeness

Can you please quit calling me out? - visitor

That's the worst question ever.

How about when you STOP DOING what I call you out for? - WonkeyDude98

It is very rude please stop. - visitor

I lol'd at this mini-thread - visitor

Not funny. - visitor

It is very rude please stop. - Puga - this song is me when I am called out. - visitor

"it's very rude" if I adopted a parrot,is it rude? huh? HUH?! - Nateawesomeness

Screw you - visitor

I like metal and I like pop but I like the middle ground which is rock the most. The whole thing with the elitists is some oppressed butthurt going on. They can't seem to take the criticism of their favorite genre well. I think if they had broadened their musical tastes, that could lessen their elitism. And I'll respect anyone's opinion even if it's opposing of mine. If we could only teach that to everybody, then there won't be any kinds of war. - Nonpointed

Can We All Just Listen To What We Like And Respect Others Opinions Please I Don't Want Anymore Fighting - christangrant

Listen to whatever you like and respect... - Ananya

Under the lights where we stand tall
Nobody touches us at all
Showdown, shootout, spread fear within, without
We're gonna take what's ours to have
Spread the word throughout the land
They say the bad guys wear black
We're tagged and can't turn back - visitor

Nice to see 2017 starting with this thing settled in the community after years of metal elitism on the site. - visitor