Top Ten Things That Should Happen to Metal Music and Community in the FutureHEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345 This are really just my opinions,though they aren't really un-popular.Write a comment wherever you agree or disagree with the items in the list.Also feel free to add.
The Top Ten
Couldn't agree more metal is metal, no great band is really better than any other great band and just because a person only likes a couple of your favorite metal bands song doesn't mean their not real fans. Also why attack a fan just because they do not know what band belongs into what metal sub-genre( Note obviously if they call Metallica a power metal band they should be politely corrected but they shouldn't be bombarded with a bunch of comments about how stupid they are for not calling them thrash) or rather choose to call them metal instead of the sub-genre their classified under especially if it is a more obscure sub-genre, the exception if they put said band into a list of that sub-genre when they aren't that. - germshep24
I think it's funny that currently the words "elitism" and "elitist" don't have any meaning or the meaning is too vague, too broad - everybody uses them as synonyms of "I disagree with you". Ten people, ten different meanings. I've read many comments ending with "you're a pop/metal/jazz elitist" just to indicate a disagreement. I personally avoid using these words because of their vague meaning. I may mean one thing but the other guy may understand something completely different. - Metal_Treasure
That is why the importance of defining words is very important, the English language is very malleable which means that a ton of words can mean very different things depending on who is using it.
If it isn't define it is safe to assume they mean the true definition of elitism that this one band is the God of all metal and if you don't like them your not a metal fan, if they meant something else it is on them for not specifying - germshep24
I also notice elitism by classical music:
You listen to Beethoven? Poser. Mustinopolskykovich is 200 times better. - Alkadikce
Yes - LightningStrikeV 2 Comments
This just will not happen you have to remember that some metal fans like just a couple metal bands and hard rock and to them it is hard to tell the difference, most definitely metal fans shouldn't be calling non-metal bands metal
Remember at the end of the day music lists are only there to introduce new people to a band they haven't listened to before not to be accurate, though accuracy would be nice - germshep24
I agree accuracy should be important, but we are not a professional metal site, the best we can do has metal fans is add those comment to let people looking at the list know that that particular band isn't metal, this is just the problem with having a website that is focused on everything and anyone can vote on any list, which is kind of why I went with that last sentence, because accuracy just isn't realistic for this type of site so the secondary is the more important introducing new bands to people - germshep24
AMEN! I'm praying for this to happen in the nearest future. I wanna talk about metal with other metalheads and not to get attacked on a daily basis by the fanboys of Linkin Park, Korn, ACDC, Rammstein, Disturbed, etc. - Metal_Treasure
The fact that some people consider Blood on the Dance Floor as ''Metal'' makes me puke.Though non-metalheads should stop doing this too. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
This is sadly how our music culture works we award those that make the some sound as everyone else and punish those that try to stray from the path unless they are God-like with their skills, this is going to limit the amount of originality that comes out and thus how we get musical trends, since every time an original band finds success a bunch of bands will come in droves to copy it in hopes that those that haven't caught on will think they were the ones that thought it up, until people get tired of it, leaving hopefully only the originators and the actually good bands that did this type of music as what is remembered of that trend.
Or as Metal_Treasure said you want original you have to search for it because their only going to have a small group of loyal followers - germshep24
I think this is also true for metal bands that like to make a lot of elaborate 10 minutes or over songs as well, Prog fans are used to it and show their love but others that are used to 5 minute songs love crapping on them - germshep24
I agree with this in general, it's always good to have more original bands, in every genre. But I want to add that currently there are many original metal bands that need to be discovered - I'm doing my best to mention some of these less known bands in my comments and lists. - Metal_Treasure
Truth to be said lots of modern metal bands lack originality.ESPECIALLY thrash metal bands.The reason is because most of the bands from the other sub-genres are influenced by many bands of the sub-genre,while most thrash bands are always influenced by the big 4.It makes me laugh how some bands think they are original just becuse they add a instrument like harmonica,horn or something like that lol. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
Their is nothing wrong with a genre wanting to have a more cooler sound sub-genre, it would just be nice if people could acknowledge that a cool sounding name doesn't automatically mean it is metal and the word metal doesn't automatically mean it is metal either or if non-metal fans just wouldn't vote on metal lists - germshep24
I consider metalcore metal, just look at Trivium. And Avenged Sevenfold. And Atreyu. But really look at Trivium.
Trivium have songs that aren't metalcore - thrash metal, heavy metal. That's why some of their songs sound more like metal but those songs aren't metalcore. So it doesn't prove that metalcore is metal - metalcore is core/punk influenced by metal, although most of the metalcore bands simply skip the metal part. - Metal_Treasure
AMEN! AGAIN. Good to start with these because they even have the word "metal" in the name: nu metal, glam metal, metalcore, rap metal. - Metal_Treasure
Such as Crunkcore and Pornogrind,again non-metalheads should stop doing these too. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
I understand the idea of this item and I agree in general. But I'll try to analyse both sides of it.
1) I think we shouldn't put limitations on experimentation in music, esp. in metal. Every fan can choose the level of heaviness s/he enjoys. Becoming a metalhead is a learning process and a journey with many stops. We shouldn't impose our own limitations on a genre. At this point even the heaviest songs sound normal to me, haha.
2) I don't like bands trying to be heavy/brutal for the sake of it, forgetting that metal is mostly about excellent playing, technicality and virtuosity. The bands I don't like usually have too much hardcore punk - core puts more effort into heaviness than into excellent playing. Compare death metal and deathcore, and you'll get my idea (watch Jared Dines' video Deathcore VS Death Metal). With heavy distortion/ high gain, down tuning, etc, you'll instantly sound heavy, even if you play crap. Metal also uses these effects but doesn't rely only on ...more - Metal_Treasure
True things aren't just as simple as just stop making this type of music, if they heavier sound makes the band better there is no reason to stop them from it, but if they are make it heavier because they know louder music is popular then they should stop - germshep24
I think a distinction should be made a band trying to be more heavy isn't really a problem, it is if the band is trying to make their band sound more heavy to replace actual skill then they should stop. If a band has the vision to make a more heavier sound while to keeping the technical skills they had in their past album it is completely fine - germshep24
If their making purposely bad music, then just find a new band to listen to and enjoy their music before they got lazy from their success - germshep24
Than for these bands, YouTube comments like "thanks Goozenkampferinthus for making me able to grow my beard" keep arriving. Listening to machine noise does not make you manlier. - Alkadikce
This is no joke, people are really making these comments on YouTube, and most people really think it makes you a man if you listen to extreme music. Not to mention that others think the softer death/black metal bands are "gay" - Alkadikce
Many metalheads understand how many modern metal bands(extreme metal bands of course)still try to be heavier than the next band in 2019.See,being the most heavy band challenge started in 70s,while it peaked in the 80s.By the 90s the bands were just a little bit more heavier than those in the 80s.By the early 2000s I think metalheads understood that trying to be the most heavy band was getting old.It makes me laugh how some bands still think being more heavy is still something to be proud of.I mean,lets pretend you are now the ''heaviest band ever'' what did you won? Something that has been tried before thousands of times? Being heavier doesn't make your music better. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
That would be great. Although currently there are many metal bands with clean vocals that need to be discovered and we should start with discovering them while waiting for new bands.
Subgenres with clean vocals - Heavy Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Metal, Symphonic Metal, Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, (part of) Folk Metal, Progressive Power Metal, to name a few. - Metal_Treasure
There are plenty of bands with clean vocals. There is a loyal community in metal for both clean and non-clean vocals, we can't ignore one of those fan-bases just to appease another that is why we have sub-genres for. If you want clean you go symphonic or power metal you want unclean you go with death metal. if you enjoy both you go with thrash and progressive which will have a split of clean vocal bands and unclean vocal bands and even bands that mix them both - germshep24
Though one thing I dislike is clean metal bands that randomly throw unclean vocals out of the blue or just can't mix the 2 well - germshep24
Now,i don't hate Growlers, I actually like them a lot as well as black metal shrieking,but I've notice that most of the bands that everybody is talking about in the last ten years bands have un-clean vocals (which means extreme metal bands)we need some more bands with great clean vocals.Yes I know Power Metal bands are very popular these days but Power Metal ain't the only metal sub-genre with clean singing. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
I get the more prog bands that have growls are much more praised their their clean counterparts and the only real praise you hear for clean vocal bands are in power metal bands and there is hardly any talk about newer symphonic metal bands - germshep24
Don't get this there is nothing wrong with trends in music, if it creates a new unique sound cool. There is going to be terrible bands that try to get big by playing popular sounding music, it is the listener job to shift through the bad and find the good, sure it is work but that is what you have to do if you want to find new bands to listen and to research - germshep24
*Cough* Djent *Cough* - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
Well, there are ridiculous trends but I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous in djent. Djent is a guitar sound and guitar playing technique used mostly in prog rock and prog metal. If interested, I made a list about djent with details - Top 10 Facts About Djent Music - Metal_Treasure
I don't mind pointless sub-genres what I dislike is that metal fan that has to say you mean death pirate technical metal when you say metal like their doing the God's work.
the only use of a sub-genre is making it easier to categorize you music list it becomes less helpful for a casual metal fan because they don't have enough metal bands in their music collection to warrant the differentiation. For me me when it comes to metal I only need these sub-genres to organize my collection: death, thrash, power, symphonic, and prog others may need more and that is cool - germshep24
Most of this sub-genres aren't again real music sub-genres but just based on lyrical themes,such as Pirate Metal or Vegetarian Tech Death or Kawai Metal lol. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
Sub-genres aren't rules just a way to categorize and if people understood that it wouldn't be that bad and people could actually appreciate them.
I understand where you coming from there are sub genres that a absolutely massive that the distinction is very important, where as musical themes don't seem as important, because really how many pirate themed metal bands could there be right - germshep24
Sorry I forget to write the ''Stop'' in this one.The correct item name should be Pointless sub-genres stop being Created. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
Yeah your right for some reason I was thinking that the overall list was things that need to stop so the community would be better, which would have made the stop unnecessary, but I think it is just because everything on the list were things that need to stop.
Though I think the pointless clearly shows you don't approve of tons of sub-genre, since pointless is overall a negative word - germshep24
Cliches are the foundation of everything though, every classic movie was built upon cliches just like every classic song is built upon cliches it is how the band plays with that cliche that makes the song or how genuine the artist is while playing on that cliche that make it or breaks it. If the band is obviously phoning it in to just get more music out then screw them - germshep24
For both bands and metal fans.Like trying to be more brutal, ''kvlt'', gory etc. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
I have mixed opinions about this - I agree that excessive things aren't good but I've seen metal fans refusing to accept anything that's a bit more complex and technical. Typical examples are Black Sabbath / Ozzy fans whose #1 metal song is either Sweet Leaf or Paranoid. Now, if you find complexity and technicalities repulsive, probably metal isn't for you. Because since the very beginning metal has always been about musicianship and virtuosity of playing. I'll try to make a balanced suggestion: metal is an experimental genre and we should't put limits on its development. All art forms need freedom. But every metal fan can decide to what level of complexity and technicality s/he is able to go. If you feel it's too much for you, just don't listen to that band. However, some other fans may like what you don't like. This way we all have a choice - fans and musicians. - Metal_Treasure
There is nothing wrong with being technical though, if you being technical to just make noise, then stop but if you being technical to make a cool sounding unique song cool.
The thing you have to ask yourself is do you want a bunch of bands that sound the same or bands that try to make something new that differentiate them from the rest of the pack as long as their not just butting random sounds together and hoping for the best and saying the lack of people liking it is because it is just too intelligent for them to understand is bs. - germshep24
Ok,same as those bands who try to be more heavy.BEING TECHNICAL DOES NOT ALWAYS MAKES YOUR MUSIC BETTER.It looks they trie to be more technical and it's not even about the music anymore,but it's to brag how good can you play. - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
I do agree that being heavier doesn't always make music better, but I think that being more technical usually does, though not always. - Metal_Treasure
LOL - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
That would be great! - HEAVYMETALTHUNDER12345
It annoys me how Cannibal Corpse fans call everyone "gay" and a "wussy" who does not like their music. Than there are rap fans who call metalheads gay. You are gay, no matter you like metal or not. - Alkadikce
Well, all music but ancient should be banned. Just my opinion. - TheGeniusOfHistory
Which troll added this? - germshep24
Is this guy threatened by metal music, because a Led Zeppelin fan should be able to appreciate metal, even though Led Zeppelin isn't metal or does he just assume all metal is growling - germshep24
Pop should be banned. - XxembermasterxX
I wouldn't go that far, just that it shouldn't be blasted at every public place like it is the only music that matters, how about some music equality - germshep24
Lol the metal haters found the list! - Userguy44V 2 Comments
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