Top 10 Reasons to Hate Bayonettabugger I am going to talk Bayonetta from Super Smash Bros, sometimes I'll talk about her game
The Top Ten
Not everybody hates her only for that. Why are you so doggone defensive? Her raunchy self brought nothing all that wonderful and new to the table as it was, there was nothing indicating or implying she or her games were so popular people wanted her in above literally any other game character ever even ones owned by Nintendo themselves, and did I mean her raunchiness thus ruining what's supposed to be an E10+ rated game (toning down didn't help, what if someone- possibly a kid- now wanted to go check out that "Devil May Cry Penthouse Edition" that is her original game where she's not toned down). Not to mention people who didn't buy her still had to waste time and disk space on an update solely for her- that's sounds like ruining to me.
If I wanted a game with a barely-dressed woman wielding actual deadly weapons, I'd play a Mortal Kombat game of my choice instead of Super Smash Bros. And I tried to get into the Bayonetta series itself but I couldn't, all I saw was a pathetic rip-off of Devil May Cry that people only seem to love because yay female protag who gets away with stuff a male character wouldn't have and other female characters somehow didn't before. A series whose existence I now can't just ignore because the fans swarmed the Smash Ballot and Nintendo gave in to them.
Thank you Nintendo for putting Bayonetta in Super Smash Bros. She ruins the game! - bugger
I am so disappointed with Nintendo.
I rather Banjo Kazooie or Klonoa over Bayonetta. 😤💢
And kids are going to take an interest in her game now that she's found her way into Smash 4.
Try telling the kids who play her or any other M rated game just to prove how "grown-up" they are
I am not a kid, I am just a dude who hates Rated M. I want to be child friendly - bugger
No, I would not have wanted Goku or Shrek, though admittedly IF a non-game character had the slightest chance of getting in Wreck-It Ralph would've been okay; his original movie was about games after all.
No, I would not have wanted Lloyd Garmadon, but Lloyd IRVING (and not just as a Mii outfit) would've been awesome.
And besides Ralph and Lloyd Irving, I would have preferred K Rool, the Inklings, Soren, Daisy, Titania, Krystal, Paula, Ribbon, Anna (the Fire Emblem merchant not the character from the Disney movie no one's allowed to like anymore), Vaati, Dixie Kong, Hector, Groose, Virion, Agitha, Melia, Linkle, Fiora, Reyn, Medusa, Ghirahim, Caeda, or Lilina over Shrek, Lloyd Garmadon, Goku, Freddy Fazbear, OR Bayonetta!
One last thing: I'm getting really tired of Bayonetta fanboys insisting it would've been her or whatever (just as) dumb choice. Unless you were running that stupid ballot or have some inside information, you don't really know that, and if the ...more
Her winning the ballot and Nintendo going through with putting her in rather than consider the highest ranked character from a game rated no more than T just shows me that if enough people had voted General Custer with a... thing certain over-advertised perscription medicines supposedly help a guy with wearing nothing but a cowboy hat and bandana (and yes this was indeed from a video game) he would have made it in. Or if enough people had voted for the heroine of "Jungle Fever", a naked chick who lactates out a fire to save a naked guy being burned at the stake, she would have made it in without a second thought. That scares me beyond words.
She technically didn't even really win. Being "very popular in Europe" (the number three market behind the US and Japan) and "within the top five" (if she'd actually been number one they would have just said so) were the reasons given for her inclusion.
I always want banjo and kazzoie and also rayman and king k rool and tailV 5 Comments
When the "Tomb Raider" series started, much was made over the shocking sexiness of its lead, Lara Croft. It's like the creator of Bayonetta set forth to top that, and indeed Lara looks like a Puritan next to Bayonetta.
I guess the creator of Lara Croft must have snuck his way into sega.
The back of her dress is too revealing. She shows more skin as Wario's Skin. - bugger
That may be, but Snake wasn't a good fit for Smash Bros either.
Metal Gear is Snake's game but seriously, Snake is infinite times better than Bayonetta...
Oh wait, I thought I hate Rated M. I only like the look of Snake. - bugger
Snake may be from an M rated game but at least he wasn't a walking bad S&M fantasy.
The Metal Gear series had a good plot and engaging characters, didn't feel like something seen many times before, and just on the whole feels like much more effort went into it (well at least the ones made with Kojima's involvement).
Whereas the Bayonetta games just scream "let's see what we can get away with and still get published".
This was supposedly addressed with the most recent software update, but now we run into the "can't just not buy her" problem because now everyone's whining about how she was nerfed.
Before one of her daddies, husbands, sons, brothers, or lovers tries to "correct" this by whining that she was nerfed, yes there was that patch whose sole purpose was that, but it really didn't do that much good except to said fanboys and scrubs who use her and no one else.
Noobs abused the heck out of her, even morseso than Cloud.
With the glasses and the hair she reminds me too much of Sarah Palin
Bayonetta is very ugly
I guess nerds aren't cool :/ wow.. - yunafreya648
What's wrong with nerds? - ParkerFangV 1 Comment
I'm pretty sure that's the real reason she supposedly "won". By "realizable" they meant "can just re-skin a model we already have so we don't have to build a new one".
Someone from the Soul Caliber would have made a lot more sense, even. If for no other reason than bringing full circle the fact that Link was in one of their games.
That said, Cloud and Snake don't fit with Smash Bros, either.
Like most of the characters relegated to mere Assist Trophies and most if not all the characters who only "appear" as Mii costumes (who uses Miis at all let alone whatever costumes for them in this game anyway)? Ashley, Waluigi, Takumaru, The Prince of Sable, Shadow the Hedgehog, Saki Amamiya, Lyn (yes, I KNOW she'd be Yet Another "Fire Emblem" Character), and Magnus, anyone (all Assist Trophies)? How about KK Slider, Lloyd Irving, Tails, Knuckles, Geno, King K. Rool, and the Inklings (Mii suits)?
As was mentioned, Ashley, Waluigi, Takumaru, The Prince of Sable, Shadow the Hedgehog, Midna, Saki Amamiya, Lyn, and Magnus should not have just been Assist Trophies, and being Mii costumes don't count as far as K.K. Slider, Lloyd Irving, Tails, Knuckles, Geno, King K. Rool, and the Inklings. There was also this long list of characters posted on another list, all first-party and all of whom really could have worked but didn't even get to be Assist Trophies or Mii costumes: Soren, Daisy (the wig for Miis doesn't count), Titania, Krystal, Paula, Ribbon, Anna (from "Fire Emblem", not "Frozen"), Vaati, Dixie Kong, Hector, Groose, Virion, Agitha, Melia, Linkle, Fiora, Reyn, Medusa, Ghirahim, Caeda, or Lilina. May I also throw in Viridi, who only appeared as a stage background element on the 3DS version.V 2 Comments
Unfortunately that hasn't stopped people from shipping her with Pit.
As if there have never been evil angels before in anything ever, person who brought up "because they're evil in her game" as a defense.
That's supposed to be a good thing, but even though I'm not religious I don't think it is.
And yet nearly everybody on this site worships her as if she were an angel.V 2 Comments
It's mostly the Peach, Zelda, and Rosalina haters who would think this, though Link, Mario, Dedede, Meta Knight, Paluntena, Wario, Yoshi, Marth, and Pit are also subject to being called "lame-os" or whatnot and yay now being able to have "sexiest/most badass character ever" beat up on them. Meanwhile, I can't even hate the Duck Hunt dog anymore, in Smash he's just too cute!
Previous commenter forgot Robin. Everyone ignores if not hates him/her, and now here's the great, wonderful, awesome, perfect Bayonetta to give that guy/chick a "well deserved" beating. Though at least I can say that the one time I've ever faced a Bayonetta online, the joke was on them because they had to hear the announcer say "The winner is... Robin" (played by me) and they ended up in FOURTH place.
Bad enough everyone showed this attitude with Snake in Brawl.
Worse, I'm sure more than a few people decided to buy "Smash" because they heard she was in it (or saw/bought at least one of her Amiibos depending on when you're reading this), then bought her upon realizing she was DLC for the sole purpose of beating up all the other characters in the game because they're all "lame" (yes, even Samus and Link) and she's so badass.V 1 Comment
Let's be honest, Dante and "Devil May Cry" didn't really bring anything new and exciting to the table themselves (not to mention Dante would also be a terrible ft for "Smash Bros." despite his popularity). Bayonetta- game and character- only get a pass because third-wave feminism.
More like a genderbent and sexed-up version of Duke Nukem from, well, Duke Nukem.
She's not boring, but is "not boring" for the wrong reasons
Reviving comment buried by Bayonetta worshiper: "Maybe her design is different, but at the end of the day her games really are just Devil May Cry starring a woman, and because it's a woman she has to dress in a way that just barely gets the game an M rating instead of an AO rating instead of getting her ow version of the most iconic red coat this side of Carmen Sandiego."V 6 Comments
Earlier "Smash" games already spawned crossover pairings, most of which were quite random, many downright weird, and very few (like can be counted on one hand) that made a lick a sense AND weren't because of how they looked together. Now that Bayonetta's in there, SHE'S going to be paired with anyone and everyone else in the game. And knowing her, "paired" if we're lucky if you know what I mean!
She's being shipped with Pit and Palutena even though she'd sooner kill them.
Whether you download her or not, that stupid notification of her availability "in all her glory" still shows up on the main menu screen, and since she was the last DLC addition we're all going to be seeing that notification forever. Also people raving about her inclusion-- and judging you if you don't have her yourself.
How about the fact that those who did indeed "just not buy her" still had to install an update that was ALL about her?
Sure you can not buy her, but that doesn't stop her from appearing! It's like you're being forced to buy her just to stop all the nagging and bothering! It's like what Konami did with the Link Summoning, but as a violation of the ESRB ratings instead of a violation of the fundamental rules of trading card games!
Definitely true of Smash Ultimate. Not buying her now means not buying the game itself at all.
Those who don't love her for her over-the-top sexiness are those who still act like playable female characters are a brand new concept thus we must support any and all of them even if they are overtly sexy like Bayonetta.
Her overt sexiness is actually seen as a sign of independence by feminists who in the past have decried characters like Morrigan Aensland, Ivy Valentine, and Mai Shiranui.
Let's face it: had they starred a foul-mouthed, gun-toting, overly-sarcastic guy who flashed his privates people wouldn't have paid attention to those games.
They also give her too much credit because a woman co-created her. Never mind the "co-" part, either.V 4 Comments
I'm sorry, but M rated games have no place in Smash. Even Snake felt oddly out of place in Brawl, and unlike Bayonetta is actually iconic.
To think Smash 4 has a *lower* ESRB rating than its predecessors
This is the main reason why she should have NEVER even been CONSIDERED!
Several of the characters have "mums" that have died or disappeared (this explicitly being mentioned or shown in their games of origin) and in some of those cases their mothers' fates are what drives the plot of their original games/the character's actions in said games. Ness's mother may be alive and well but in "Earthbound" he could get "homesick" and not be able to do much if he hadn't seen or called her in a while. And while one of Lucina's potential mothers (only her father's identity is set in stone in "Fire Emblem Awakening", the mother could very well end up being fem Robin if the player so dictates) is actually in "Smash" herself with Lucina, but there's that whole thing about Lucina having traveled back in time to prevent a bad future where among other things whoever her mother was things did not end well for said mother. Of the remaining characters, best case scenario we don't know the status or fate of their mothers (or fathers) or even what kind of relationship they may ...more
Seriously it's just a taunt, characters are not programmed to have emotions in that game - DaisyandRosalina
If we really push the definition, Luma's "mum" is also present and alive, but of course the demise of Rosalina's own mum is a big part of her backstory.
Like she's really in a position to say that
These two comments were actually pretty good and I didn't read as from someone "salty":
"It's extremely childish, dare I say even worse than Peach's "La la la la la", and I never thought I'd see a more annoying and immature taunt than that. But of course only Peach gets criticized while Bayonetta gets praised and worshiped no matter what she says or does."
"Peach's taunt is bad and annoying but Bayonetta's isn't any better and I am sick and tired of her getting off scott-free for everything she says or does while not just Peach but any other video game female doesn't."
And guess what? That bit about characters not being programmed to feel emotions? That means BAYONETTA can't feel emotions either so it's not likes she's off crying somewhere while people don't worship her or say anything about her other than how great she is.
Didn't want her and didn't buy her? Hope you weren't planning on buying the inevitable Smash game for the Switch, because she'll be there and not as optional DLC.
Sadly she will be in the next game and the worst part is that (at the time of this writing) she STILL seems to be broken if that match against Ridley is any indication. If anything good can come out of this well at least I can beat her up in training mode but despite this it would have been better if she was NOT included at all.
The fact that not only is she getting an Amiibo but two of them seems to drive this point home further.
Confirmed. Ugh!V 2 Comments
Wrong maybe she didn't replace Wolf since Wolf was already cut to begin with but as was mentioned elsewhere on this list she didn't actually "win" the ballot per se. Verbatim from the other comment: Being "very popular in Europe" (the number three market behind the US and Japan) and "within the top five" (if she'd actually been number one they would have just said so) were the reasons given for her inclusion.
Krystal should have replace Wolf
Maybe it's because he sucked? - yunafreya648
Evidence? - yunafreya648V 2 Comments
I don't care for Bayonetta, and could never get into her games even before she was added to Smash even though I did try after being told multiple times that I would love them, thus I am not here to defend her.
Still, I have to ask what this list item is supposed to mean.
The beehive and the glasses. She also has a different type of but still apparently supposed to be endearing but just sounds condescending accent like Sarah Palin.
How? - yunafreya648
It's because she was co-created by a woman which in the eyes of today's "woke" generation automatically makes everything better.
Rosalina doesn't belong in the game because she's (somehow) "too sexy", you say? Peach's taunts are annoying and immature? Cloud too cheap? Cloud and all the "Fire Emblem" characters too violent for what should be a fun little game? Snake was too "adult" and violent a character for "Smash", that's why he didn't return after Brawl? Outside of "Smash": Mai Shiranui, Tharja, Morrigan Aesland, Cammy, Ivy Valentine, Lara Croft, and Chun-Li wear too little clothing or have too big whatever attributes (usually breasts but thighs and gluteus maximus apply as well) thus are offensive and degrading to women? Heck, you even go as far as to say games like "Dead or Alive" (especially its beach volleyball and "paradise resort" spin-offs), "Final Fantasy X-2", "Lollipop Chainsaw", "Final Fantasy XIII-2", and "Bikini Samurai Squad"- the games themselves, not just any specific character(s)- are grossly sexist and degrading?
If you do indeed say any or all of the above, yet also say Bayonetta is ...more
And of course that's even if you can even call them "clothes". Either way, creepy and actually kind of disgusting.
Worse, she's getting TWO! And here I was hoping Nintendo had decided not to make her or Cloud into Amiibos after all.
Amazon, stop shoving this never-should-have-been-produced Amiibo in my face just because of all the other Amiibos (Smash and otherwise) I've bought. Show me the Chrom Amiibo that Nintendo promised at E3 and we'll talk.
It's not supposed to. Her extreme rudeness and... constant visual reminders that she is a woman were the big, and only real, selling points. The fans of course think that's awesome in and of itself, making me fear all the more for humanity.
So Cereza's both her younger self *and* her daughter? What?
Well it's not for you then :/ - yunafreya648
This is true. The 3DS Smash was supposed to have a trophy of Tharja from Fire Emblem Awakening (and indeed had trophies of many of the rest of the characters from that game), but it did not appear in the final product because while Awakening itself was rated T Nintendo still wanted Smash to be rated E10+. Then the Smash Ballot happened and they put in this playable character who's actually even more inappropriate than Tharja ever was even in her own game.
I'm no fan of Tharja (yes I have played the game she's from), but it's the principle of the thing.
You mean the ones who keep saying "she's cool" at every opportunity and leave it at that? That say the haters make up lies while they make up lies themselves? That say she's only hated for being oversexualized and being in Smash Bros yet giving no compelling reason (or any reason at all really) why anyone should look past that and love her as much they do themselves? The ones that outright bully other users for daring not to like her? Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say they make the Elsa and Frozen fans look sane, but they are just as if not more annoying.
How is her presence in Smash Bros more overhated here or anywhere else than Elsa (as per the "most overhated things" list)? Oh yeah, because the Elsa fans surprisingly aren't getting hyper defense of her like one would expect while the Bayonetta fans are.
Note to fans: saying stuff like "Best female character in smash because the rest are garbage or can't fight." is not going to win anybody over to "your side". The other characters in Smash, male and female alike, are not "garbage" and *can* fight.
The one that keeps trolling this list with their "[other character] sucks" comments, leaves baiting comments ("how? " "so? " "[her games] are not for you"), and typed the offending taunt repeatedly under that listing for example. Elsa fans just have broken caps lock buttons.V 3 Comments
That stupid promo poster that had the otherwise wonderful cast now sadly reduced to playing second fiddle to this obnoxious, overrated, word-I-don't-think-I-can-say-here split between a "good" side and "evil" side behind said overrated you-know-what? Villager was on the "evil" side even though neither they nor their game has anything "evil" about them. That "ha ha Villager's actually evil" thing stopped being funny very soon after it started and it sure didn't need a boost (especially not from that insufferable word-not-allowed who dear god I hope isn't in the next Smash game at all).
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2. She's overpowered
3. People are now happy to be able to use her to beat up undeserving characters
2. Her clothes and her hair are one and the same
3. They are other characters that fit better with Smash Bros
2. She is not for kids
3. She looks shocking