Top 10 Reasons Why Black Sabbath Created Heavy MetalRambles This list is for all the people who claim Black Sabbath didn't invent Heavy Metal.
The Top Ten
@Rambles their lyrics were dark, not their music... well except for black metal, it's really dark musically, but death and thrash metal only dark on the lyrics... musically death and thrash metal are closer to hardcore punk than Black Sabbath's down-tuned songs... - somekindofaguy
I need to say this: I don't hate Rambles although most of my comments below are disagreements. - Metal_Treasure
And then? Darkness isn't necessary quality to be metal a song... - somekindofaguy
You right you don't have to be dark but genres like Death Metal, Black Metal, and more extreme Thrash Metal like Sodom, Kreator, and Slayer were very dark. Even some traditional Metal like Mercyful Fate were dark. Where did that are come from if Black Sabbath didn't help make Metal? - Rambles
It was Jon Lord from Deep Purple. He combined blues, rock, jazz, classical before any other band or artist out there. Which was later developed in various metal songs. Ritchie Blackmore combined Jimi Hendrix's psych rock style and Jon Lord's classical-rock fusion. Glenn Tipton was inspired by Rory Gallagher's playing and achieved the style of blues rock with Ritchie and Lord's fast guitar/organ playing. KK downing was heavily inspired by Jimi Hendrix. He also had followed Ritchie Blackmore. - zxm
Andromeda already did this in 1969. Listen to the song "Return to Sanity" there are elements from every genre in this song you mentioned. by the way jazz and blues only make a metal song less metal or not metal. - somekindofaguy
Psychedelia, rock and blues are the basis for heavy metal, not jazz and classical I think - PanagosBoi
Blues and jazz are definitely not metal ingredients. Judas Priest had to get rid of their blues influences to achieve a pure metal sound and become a metal band in the late 70s.
Whatever you think Black Sabbath combined, obviously it wasn't the winning formula. Iron Maiden and Judas Priest didn't use the Black Sabbath formula. Black Sabbath themselves changed their sound in 1980 (with Dio). - Metal_Treasure
Metal_Treasure saying Black Sabbath is not metal is like saying water is not wet
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams, 1969... - somekindofaguy
No, Deep Purple's album In Rock is heavier and it came out in the same year - 1970. Also, Deep Purple music was faster and more aggressive. Deep Purple also hold a Guinness record for the loudest band of the 70s.
Don't confuse dark with heavy. These are different things. Black Sabbath are dark but not heavy. - Metal_Treasure
For your reply of MT's comment "Black Sabbath was way heavier than Deep Purple. Songs like Black Sabbath, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Into The Void, Children of The Grave, and Supernaut. Also who cares what Guinness says."
Man, but this is what we want to tell you: these songs were DARKER, not HEAVIER... not the same... (Children of the Grave is the only song you emntioned which is heavier than any DP songs) also, just give a listen to the list "100 heaviest albums of the 1970s" by Martin Popoff... he ranked Kick Out The Jams at 66 (though it's from 1969), and Deep Purple's In Rock at 10. And Black Sabbath's debut album is not even on the list. He only ranked Vol 4 and Sabotage higher than DP's In Rock. - somekindofaguy
I think this is true. They invented doom and that's all. But doom metal is one of the smallest metal subgenres even after 50 years and there's a reason for that. All major metal subgenres are fast and have elements that were invented by Deep Purple. - Metal_Treasure
Sludge metal is not a 100% metal music genre, it has psychedelic rock influences, it's kind of a mix of metal and heavy psych... - somekindofaguy
I thought Sludge Metal was a mix of Doom Metal and Hardcore Punk. - Rambles
Rambles, if doom metal is a "huge" genre, how would you describe the size of thrash metal, death metal, heavy metal, power metal,...? - Metal_Treasure
Hardcore punk isn't a significant part of sludge metal - some sludge metal bands occasionally use brief passages of hardcore punk but it doesn't make sludge more metal because hardcore punk is obviously... punk (and not metal).
Similarly to doom, sludge metal has slow tempos and some very Southern, bluesy or heavy psych rock influences. Overall, not much metal in it. Sludge is only dark and sometimes - heavy (because some bands include noise rock). - Metal_Treasure
Maybe the songs are more progressive already on this one, but they didn't invented progressive metal with this... - somekindofaguy
Progressive Metal is also known as Technical Metal. LOL, the album Sabotage is the pinnacle of technicality and demonstrates top-notch musicianship (sarcasm).
Usually people mention the song The Writ from this album (1975). But Child In Time by Deep Purple (1970) has more progressive elements and is more technical than The Writ. No surprise here, in the 60s Deep Purple were a progressive rock band but in 1970 they got heavier. - Metal_Treasure
Thrash metal is aggressive and very fast (even faster than speed metal) but this song has nothing aggression. by the way I just say what somebody said under a forum: "It's only thrash metal in the way where Deep Purple's Fireball is thrash metal" - somekindofaguy
The closest to proto-thrash is Stone Cold Crazy by Queen (1974) that came out before Symptom of the Universe (1975). - Metal_Treasure
Symptom Of The Universe doesn't sound like thrash at all - this is a mid-tempo song with no aggression or anger. It's fast for only 15 seconds out of 6:30 minutes. And 30% of the song are not metal at all, let alone thrash. - Metal_Treasure
I made a list with details - Top 10 Reasons Why Symptom of the Universe by Black Sabbath Didn't Create Thrash Metal - Metal_Treasure
I agree their imagery inspired many metal bands but imagery / lyrics are from a different genre - literature. It's not related to music - music uses notes, literature uses words. Music is more important than the lyrics when we talk about creation of a music genre. Music is like a T-bone steak, lyrics are like side dishes / salads. You can eat your steak without salads (example - metal instrumentals). - Metal_Treasure
Black Sabbath imagery was a lot closer to genres like Death Metal and Black Metal than Deep Purple. - Rambles
DP's imagery inspired more metal bands than Black Sabbath... more well known metal musicians praised DP more than Black Sabbath. - somekindofaguy
And Deep Purple was a lot closer to Power Metal/Symphonic Metal/NWOBHM/Progressive Metal and Even Melodeath bands than Black Sabbath... metal is not only extreme metal. - somekindofaguy
But these are doom metal bands, but as I said, doom metal is just a very little part of metal. This is why I said it's not what metal is about... but if it's misleading, then: it's not what metal is ONLY about - somekindofaguy
Yep bands whose music is down tuned and doomy. And it's not what metal is about. - somekindofaguy
Metallica, Judas Priest, Lamb of God, Pantera, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, they all said that it was Black Sabbath! - SoldierOfFortune
Also Fenriz from Darkthrone says Black Sabbath was a inspiration for him and said that Sabbath was one of the first Metal bands. - RamblesV 1 Comment
In the meantime I made a list - Top 10 Reasons Why After Forever by Black Sabbath Didn't Create Christian Metal - Metal_Treasure
Christian Metal isn't a music subgenre - it's a group of metal bands with lyrics inspired by Christian books. So how exactly did Black Sabbath invent a music subgenre that doesn't exist?
The so called Christian Metal bands play all existing metal subgenres (thrash, death, power, prog, etc.) but with Christian lyrics. - Metal_Treasure
You're right I should have said they introduced Christian lyrics to Metal. - Rambles
Just curious: what metal singers were inspired by Ozzy singing?... Rob Halford, Bruce Dickinson, Dio, Michael Kiske, Geoff Tate, Hansi Kursch, Tom Araya...?
Also, Ritchie Blackmore influenced the next generations of metal guitarists much more than Tony Iommi. Ritchie Blackmore was faster, more technical, more creative, more innovative and overall, his style was more metal.
Ian Paice introduced double bass drumming to metal music and double bass became an essential part of metal music, etc. - Metal_Treasure
-Most metal guitarists played riffs and solos like Blackmore (shredding, classical inspirations)
-Most metal bassists played bass like Hughes
-Most metal drummers played drums like Paice (double-bass)
-Most metal singers sung like Gillan (screams)
-and Maybe organ solos by Lord wasn't too popular and necessary in metal, but still many well known metal musicians praised and respected Jon Lord so much. - somekindofaguy
Umm, metal isn't known for putting a great emphasis on stoner lyrics. From thrash metal to power metal to death metal - it isn't full with stoner lyrics... - Metal_Treasure
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