Top 10 Things Wrong with Warrior CatsI LOVE the Warrior Cats series. It's a very good series, but there are things wrong with it. Here are some of them.
Yes, this is possibly the stupidest thing ever. What I want to know is, if you can think of a power for Dovewing, then why couldn't Hollyleaf get Dovewing's power, hmmm? No offense, and I have nothing against Dovewing, but Hollyleaf is better and deserved the powers way more. Between the three cats competing for the spot in the prophecy (Dovewing, Ivypool, and Hollyleaf) I like Hollyleaf the most, even though Ivypool's pretty great too. This doesn't make any sense! Like, give Hollyleaf Dovewing's power! Maybe she would actually USE IT for something useful instead of just whining about ShadowClan and rejecting Bumblestripe and Foxleap all day long.
Finally, a good thing. Yeah, poor Hollyleaf! She could, like, have a special connection with plants like Jayfeather and StarClan.
Unpopular opinion time: Dovewing is way better than Hollyleaf. Honestly, Hollyleaf was quite boring to me. Even after she murdered Ashfur, I felt like I needed a better main character than Hollyleaf. Dovewing was that better character for me. She was so fun to read about!
This was terrible writing on their part. There's many powers they could've gave her but they gave it to Dovewing, a distant kin. I love Hollyleaf and (Spoiler alert for the recent books) I'm now starting to like Dovewing as a ShadowClan cat, but they did Hollyleaf terribly.
This is really annoying. Even though, ThunderClan is my favorite clan, they don't always have to be the hero! There are lots of good cats in ShadowClan. Tawnypelt, Tigerstar (The son of Tawnypelt), Dovewing, Flametail, and many, many more! The good cats deserve to be the hero, at least one time. Even in the Warrior's Ultimate Guide it says that ShadowClan warriors are cold and heartless! That is so not true. ShadowClan cats have feelings, you know!
ThunderClan and ShadowClan are my favorite clans, but only one of them the hero clan and one is meant to be "Cold and Heartless." Like, what the heck?! ThunderClan is always playing hero while the rest of the clans are just sitting down, complaining that they're always the one with prophecies and stuff, and they're right!
Argh, this is SO annoying! I mean, at first it made ThunderClan all heroic and stuff, but then it just started to get ANNOYING. ThunderClan shoves it's big hairy nose into EVERYTHING. RiverClan had a minor conflict? ThunderClan comes barging in. ShadowClan had new kits? ThunderClan comes barging in. WindClan caught a rabbit? ThunderClan comes barging in. SkyClan fought off a fox? ThunderClan comes barging in. The Tribe of Rushing Water has a new problem? ThunderClan comes FLYING in. ThunderClan is a clan full of mary sues and gary stus, since ThunderClan is victorious in nearly every single frickin battle.
Thunderclan always gets all the attention and is always the hero. And Shadowclan is always the enemy. It's so unfair I think the clans should take turns being the hero. It's always about thunderclan being the hero and all. And in secrets of the clans in the thunderclan section it states that thunderclan is the clan of DESTINY. That's so annoying. And I think the other clans shouldn't have a bad reputation.
Yeah gets kind of predictable but hey, without them, the warrior code wouldn't have been updated - large step in clan evolution. Besides, just cause your born a warrior, doesn't mean you are ! Bluestar is right (Ravenpaw thing) you get to choose what you do with your life, and to who and what you are loyal too. Even if that is yourself.
This is a problem. A big problem. It's supposed to be forbidden, yet in every arc of warriors, there's around one to four forbidden couple things around.
The forbidden couple is an annoying trope in general. What makes it even worse is how cats never get any sort of punishment for it. A good example is Leafpool. She ruined the lives of other cats, and what happens? Nothing! And that's just one example. It happens too many times to count. It's almost like the writers are running out of ideas so they grip onto the same thing over and over.
- this is very, very repetitive. when I read a new warriors book, I often sense a possible future relationship, a very repetitive plot, cats from other clans with cats from other clans together. There might not even be a definitive sign, but you just know something forbidden or "special" is to happen ( says the repeating plot and character development and " last book problem resolved " kind of thing). So,...have alll the kits you want cats, "totally not forbidden and not known of" - sorry for long text, had to be quite honest
This was something I always hated. Why even bother bringing her back? Not to mention she's rarely seen in StarClan, with the exception of Squirrelflight's Hope. What irritates me more is the fact that Lionblaze and Jayfeather don't seem to even care that their only sister died. They just pretend she doesn't exist.
Omg, that's bad! Hollyleaf is one of my favs and I'm annoyed at the fact that she only returned to be killed. But at the same time I'm very glad that she saved Ivypool.
This pissed me off so hard when I found out (through spoilers) that I actually refused to read the rest of the books. Why give her all of that development just to kill her off again? Lazy writing?
What was that for I thought it was going to be better. But once you think about it what did she every come back in the first place and Hawkfrost that kills her why not Tigerstar
I can't find why is that a big problem. Irl cats are able to meow from their first days (when they are hungry or scared) and that means that in the Warriors series they can talk. I had kittens on my yard so I know what kittens are doing very well!
I think that cats in the WarriorCats series can that and open their eyes so quickly, is because cats have shorter lives than humans, 1 moon for a cat is like 1 year for humans in terms of life span. This for some reason does not apply to Mistystar, though.
This annoys me so much. It's so unrealistic! Why would they need to talk so soon, I mean give them at least a month before they can talk!
This is a book where cats live in the wild,
Use Old leaves to clean wounds, belive
In spirits In the stars and have powers and you worry bout this?
Graystripe and Millie are both gray, get Blossomfall is a tortoiseshell and Briarlight is dark brown. Technically, the Havanna Brown is the only cat breed to be dark brown. Also, in the wild, it is pretty hard to come across a pure gray cat, yet warriors seems to have 1/3 of all cats be pure gray. Ex. Dovewing, Cinderpelt, Mistystar, Stonefur, Bluestar...
Bluestar is also impossible, unless purebred. The Russian Blue is the only blueish gray cat out there. Also, MALE TORTOISESHELLS! Who's idea was this? Spiderleg: black and brown can't exist both on a cat. Why does he have a brown chest? Sandynose has ginger legs... There are many white cats with blue eyes who aren't deaf, except for Snowkit, which thankfully the authors mentioned this genetic thing, but then, WHY do all of the white cats have blue eyes and aren't deaf? Plus, out in the wild, it is pretty hard to come across a pure white cat. I have a BIG problem with this. The Erins should have done some research before coming up ...more
Okay, how does LeafPool get brown when FireStar is dark ginger and SandStorm is pale ginger? How? And CrowFeather and LeafPool. One Smokey gray and one brown makes a golden cat? Like how?
Fire (ginger) + Sand (ginger) = Leaf (brown and white) LIKE WHAT
Golden (ginger) + Tiger (dark tabby) = Tawny (tortoiseshell) ?
Crow (dark gray) + Leaf (brown and white) = Lion (golden) Jay (light gray tabby)
Storm (blue-gray) + Moon (silver tabby) = Snow (95% WHITE)
Gray (gray) + Millie (silver) = Blossom (tortoiseshell) Briar (dark brown)
Red (tortie toms are rare, usually can't have kits, and are sickly)
Spider (CATS CAN'T HAVE BROWN UNDERBELLIES)
Blue-eyed cats usually can't have blue eyes without white fur touching their eyes. They can, but it's very rare.
You're right! I'm very confused about that two gray cats (Shellheart & Rainflower) have two brown sons. And that Thunderstar (who is a ginger and white cat) is the son to gray cats (Skystar & Storm). And there are another impossible genes but I can't think of more.
They have so many cats because they are the main clan. If shadow clan was the main clan they would probably have so many cats.
In the beginning of the series Bluestar was like "we don't have enough cats" even though they had more than every other clan and to this day CONTINUE TO HAVE 50 CATS! It's just annoying.
Yes, I mean there must be like 40 or so now, I'm hoping for a huge purge in The Raging Storm because its getting ridiculous and I don't think the authors can keep track of them, let alone the readers.
I don't think it's true. I think they aren't mentioned because they have no use in the plot.
Every ark after Firestar's point of view feels repeated.
I feel like I'm reading the same plot in every new arc!
It's getting boring at this point.
Some parts of the code I understand, some I think are stupid. But this is just one that annoys me-
Medicine cats not being able to have a mate or kits. I can kind of understand the kits part, because it gets to be a lot of work while you also need to take care of your clan, but I say if you have another fully trained medicine cat it should be okay to have kits. There is always the risk of the other medicine cat dying while you're already pregnant, but that doesn't happen very often. Also, once the kits can have prey, you can just let a queen take care of them. And then the mates part. I don't see why a medicine cat can't find love. Kits could get in the way, but I don't see what harm a mate could do.
Honestly, I like seeing the struggle between following orders, and doing what is right. Yeah, the code has its flaws, but having said flaws and overcoming them is interesting, and a vital piece in clan evolution. Man I just said a mouthful:) Anyway, I disagree with this because I think it makes for a more interesting novel. Tell me, where would thunderlan be if firestar didn't defy bluestar ? He learned so much from that experience. As do all other characters who are put in such a situation. Its neccaary. Besides, the code gets updated in TBC.
A few ones in the warrior code make me feel odd. Like the one stating that the leader's word is law. It's basically saying the cats in the clan can't question the leader if they're cruel or unjust. This rule has been abused by both the imposter, Brokenstar, Tigerstar, and multiple other bad leaders. -Fallen from before StarClan
It can be extremely stupid, as well as the medicine cat code can be. I mean, how many cats have broken the mates rule at this point?
It's really annoying. Yellowfang broke the medicine cat code, so then her child is destined to literally destroy shadow clan. However leafpool breaks TWO codes, and her children are the shining three who are destined to save the clans. Why starclan.
Mapleshade: goes insane because her clan turns against her, her kits die, her "mate" not only says it's her fault, but has already become mates with someone else, and she goes mad from grief, then kills the cats she blames for her kits deaths.
Starclan: "You'll never be welcomed here after all that you've done! Burn in hell!"
Ashfur: goes crazy because his crush doesn't like him back, proceeds to try to burn her and her sisters kits alive, as well as plot with two of the most evil cats in the history of Warriors and kill his leader.
Starclan: "Oh, it's not your fault you loved too much little Ashy!"
StarClan puts favorites for who their kin is. Like the whole Hawkfrost and Ashfur thing, that was basically the only thing Hawkfrost did bad was try to kill Firestar. And don't say "he also faked a sign from StarClan" Jay, Holly, Lion, Flame, Tiger, and Dawn also did that, and they weren't punished. Ashfur helped Hawkfrost AND tried to kill some of his clanmates for Squilf not being with him. Toxic much? -Fallen from before StarClan
Ashfur and Maplshade...
Aw, yes, similar stories indeed. Mapleshade got angry at Appledusk for being Reedshine's mate, and their kits died.
Ashfur... he just got angry at Squirrelflight so he decided to ruin everybody's lives for seemingly no reason.
Can you guess which one goes to StarClan?
Firestar is a fat, lazy Gary Stu. He walks in camp, and all of a sudden he's everyone's hero. And he has three she-cats going after him. Not that he can control that, but he hurts Sandstorm's feelings when he mopes about missing Spottedleaf. I felt so bad for Sandstorm when Firestar kept mentioning Spottedleaf in front of her.
Firestar was alright in the first six books of the series but he quickly went down afterwards. The cat lost all of his personality and had to be the hero for EVERYTHING. It is so annoying! Firestar's arc is over, so get over with it Erin Hunters! Give him a break! Stop dragging him into everything!
I don't HATE Firestar. I mean, I don't LOVE him, but he's not TERRIBLE. But he needs to chill out being a part of... every prophecy. This one says "almost" every prophecy, he is litteraly in every.single.prophecy.in.the.main.arc. "Fire alone will save our Clan" the fire in that prophecy is Firepaw/heart. "Four will become two, lion and tiger will meet in battle, and blood will rule the forest." Welp, Firestar's gotta be the lion! He wasn't in the one about Midnight in The New Prophecy so I assumed we would get a break, but NOPE. "Before all is peaceful, blood will spill blood, and the lake will run red." Well, Brambleclaw had to kill Hawkfrost to save FIRESTAR, so he may as well have been part of the prophecy. And then the fourth cat in the three is Firestar. Couldn't it have been Ivypool? Hollyleaf? Not that I like him, but Brambleclaw even? Give a new cat a chance! The Erins need to chill out on Firestar's prophecy.
I hate this so much WHY is Firestar so important. WHY did he have to be part of everyone?! He can hardly fight!
All she did was whine! "Poor me, I'm in a relationship with Tigerheart that breaks the warrior code in so many ways, while my sisters risking her life for the clans every night and I have to yell at her about it! Life's so hard!" Her power did almost NOTHING! But everyone goes "Oh, Dovewing, what could we do without you?" All she did was waste her powers on spying on Tigerheart!
I see the ones below this and think wow most of those are ridiculously stupid better vote for a less stupid one. For example 14 because the injury that scourge inflicted on firestar wasn't as fatal as the injury inflicted to tiger star it mentions IN THE BOOK that firestar dodged the blow that had taken all of tiger stars lives. Sorry for the hate but this is plain stupid. Now another example is 9 Sorry your argument actually goes against science! Cats can have many different colour pigments and patterns also there may be dormant genes so ya broke the myth. This last one the no gay couples one isn't stupid but let's think your right there should be gay couples it would add more plot and is just rude to ignore them as these cats are sentient cats from what in know are only sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Though these are sentient cats and I agree there should be gay couples. Now look at the others with a new understanding really the farther down you go the worse it gets. Sorry ...more
Honestly, I don't hate Dovewing, I just think Hollyleaf should have been the third or even fourth cat! -Fallen from before StarClan
What is everyone's problem with Dovewing? Compare her to Mapleshade, and see how much love that load of fox dung gets.
Ashfur is horrible (in the protagonists point of view). Why did StarClan give him another chance? They didn't even give Frecklewish another chance. Why Ashfur?
Ashfur, should go to the Dark Forest. He was jealous, angry, sad, heartbroken, furious, frustrated, envious, and mean! That's the definition of a cat in the Dark Forest. He should learn to accept that he lost to Brambleclaw/star. He keeps trying to win Squirrelflight, but she doesn't love him! He is very annoying.
Thistleclaw goes a little crazy, goes to dark forest. Ashfur tries to kill Firestar, Hollyleaf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze, etemps to ruin Squirrelflight's life, conspires against Thunderclan, and goes to Starclan. Logic.
Yes, Squirrelflight admitted she didn't feel the same way about him as he did about her. And yes, that is a reason to feel bad. But no, that is not a reason to try and kill your ex's children.
He tried to kill four cats.
End of story.
Spottedleaf wasn't stalking firepaw they where meeting willingly nearly every night. They had a crush on each other. She was 4.5 years old or 56 moons old and firepaw was 6 or 7 moons old, but they could never have kits.
I disagree. Yeah come at me haters. I actually love Spottedleaf and think she's one of the bravest cats throughout the series. She died fighting for other cats both times even though she was a medicine cat and probably knew nothing about fighting. As for her "stalking" Firestar, let me remind you that Firestar was always HAPPY when he saw her in dreams. I wouldn't call that "stalking". It's two cats meeting each other willingly.
Spottedleaf really learned some leasons from Thistleclaw. She was 5 years old when she died! 5 - 0.6 = 4.4 She was 4.4 years older than Firepaw, and in cat years, that's like 34 years older. A 40 year cannot date a 7 year old child! It is absoulutly disgusting and horrifying! Spottedleaf even continued stalking Fireheart all the way throughout her death, even AFTER Fireheart grew up and got married!
I agree with you, Featherstream. I believe Spottedleaf isn't stalking Firestar, but they are meeting each other.
Uh...if you're worried about that, why are you even reading Warriors? StarClan doesn't make sense. The Clans fighting doesn't make sense. Mapleshade's existence doesn't make sense. The three don't make sense. And much more major things don't make sense. I don't see any of these on this list, but people are complaining about names they don't think are good or make sense...jeez, if that's such a problem, you don't make sense.
It's a book. Just like in real life, names don't make sense
Like people have the name jack, but it doesn't make sense
And twigbranch's name does make sense. It represents her growth from a twig to a branch.
So many of these names don't make sense it's so confusing. who had the idea of making bristlefrost? I don't like to read all the warrior's apperance so the first rime I read the broken code I seriosly thought she was all white. my oc is named gingersnap which I think is canon and it makes a lot of sense because she has a ginger pelt and green eyes.
Why does that matter?
The publisher of the series, Harpers, wont let Warriors have gay couples because the sales will go down in countries where gay marriage is illegal.
They can't exactly have "gay couples", at least not in Clans because...the main reason why a lot of cats even got together is to have kits. That, and because cats are not humans. They don't have a complex mind like humans do.
This may sound controversial, but reproduction is a part of nature and animals IN nature, plus it's seen as a good thing when a couple has kits. Kits = more Clan members.
Maybe there is a gay couple in a Clan, but they wouldn't really mention it because it barely affects the plot (unless there's a conflict that results from it, which would make sense). Maybe they would mention two cats touching noses or twining their tails, but not much else. Warriors likes focusing on a lot of (forbidden) romance, which is pretty dumb now that they've done it so much to the point of cliche, but that's a "conflict" because it's "forbidden".
If this whole "no gay couples" thing is only due to people and their "shipping", that's a bit of a ...more
You guys say there's no les couples, but what about Leafpool and Mothwing? But it's true, there's no openly gay couples. And if it's really obvious, it's one of those illegal ones like with Jake and Tallstar or Leafpool and Mothwing! And that's so homophobic, and if cats can fight and wars and go to starclan and heal other cats with herbs, I think they're complex enough to have true feelings. If there are straight mates then there should be gay mates!
WHY NOT? Gay couples and lesbian couples are awesome and amazing! Barley x RavenPaw should totally actually be a thing. But- *Slaps my hand over my mouth before I say any spoilers*
Just.. read RavenPaw's farewell.
This one is just whiny. If you have trouble with walking, why are you reading books and living? Plus you do more than 3,000 to 4,000 steps a day?
OMG YES! They litteraly spend the first four books of The New Prophecy walking, and then we get more walking because Leafpool finds the Moonpool and then Leafpool and Crowfeather leave and come back and we get about one book of story and plot and that's it. The rest is just... walking. And that's it. It's so boring, definitely my least favourite arc!
Lol love this one. Walking is annoying, fully agree, though I liked the walking in dawn cause it was fun to see the clan evolution.
I don't know, I agree I liked it when it was respected but there are a lot of flaws in the code, hence updated in TBC.I agree with Tallstar (in his book Tallstar's revenge), there is a life beyond clan life ! Follow your own code!
Literally almost everyone broke it. Cinderpelt and Brackenfur becoming apprentices is breaking the warrior code apperantly
Why even have a code if it's going to be broken every arc? It was also broken before it was even created! -Fallen from before StarClan
I'm the beginning I felt like the warrior code was respected, never broken, and sacred yet.. after that it was broken time and time again, by now to me it's practically nothing
THIS IS SO ANNOYING! One moment Whitestorm has amber eyes, the next moment he has "cloudy blue eyes"! Dovewing has green and blue eyes! Leopardstar has amber and green eyes! Crowfeather has amber and blue eyes! Scourge's color is purple and red! This is SOO annoying! Whenever I try to draw art of any of these cats, I'm so confused on their eyes! I have to look on the warriors wiki and. guess what it said for Dovewing. "Dovewing is a sleek, pale gray she-cat with green to blue eyes and a torn ear". All I can say is the Erins should remember these basic things.
YES! Dovewing has eyes that change from amber, to yellow, to blue, to green, and it won't stop. Like, I get that all cats are born with blue eyes so obviously they start like that, but their eyes don't change twenty times. Scourge is always drawn with a purple collar, so just keep him with that. Me picturing him with anything else makes no sense, and BONE'S COLLAR IS ALWAYS DRAWN RAINBOW WHICH MAKES NO SENSE! This needs to stop, it doesn't make sense and I don't understand how it's even physically possible for a human being to be this stupid.
Yeah, that's really funny! I think that Dovewing's eyes are green but when she uses her powers her eyes are changing to blue-green. But I respect everybody who don't think like me and that's not a problem because everybody has his/her imagination :)
She deserved to be there. Why do you hate Hollyleaf? She killed 1 cat. Mapleshade killed Ravenwing, Appledusk, Frecklewish, Minnowkit, Willowkit, Willowbreeze, Spottedleaf, Rainflower, Shellheart, Hailstar, Oakheart, maybe Crookedstar, Silverstream, Feathertail and a couple others, mouse-brains!
Mapleshade should have gone to the dark forest, everything she did just leads to her consequences, and nothing justifies the fact that she killed 4 cats.
Um...what...? You think she should have gone to StarClan? Listen, she even wanted to go to the Dark Forest...
Yes, and ASHFUR gets to starclan, what type of nonsense is this?
Whey even have snowkit then?
That was depressing
Ummm, in Yellowfang's Secret
Yellowfang or Sagewhisker literally says a leader can lose all of their lives if a wound is severe enough. this is not a problem guys!
I just voted for this so I can set things straight... Tigerstar never got his nine lives from Starclan. He didn't actually randomly lose every single life when scourge killed him.
Tigerstar did get his 9 lives. read the Ultimate guide! Scourge's blow litary ripped his throat open! The blow Firestar got was different
Different blow, Different results.
Think about it: Spottedleaf was about 4 years old/49 moons when she died, meaning she had been (If my reasoning correct) somewhere around 45 or 44 moons when Firepaw arrived. FIREPAW WAS 6 MOONS OLD AT THE TIME. Firepaw had just barely reached sexual maturity, whereas Spottedleaf would have likely retired to the elder's den in a year or so. THIS IS LITERAL PEDOPHILIA. The Erins are just horrible with relationships like that; revolting age gaps, love after very few interactions, incest (e.g. Graystripe's parents), etc. It's absolutely disgusting.
It's so creepy! He's like half her age, and it's like Thistleclaw, Spiderleg and Starflower all over again! He's married, she's a dead med cat older than Whitestorm! It'd be like if Longtail hooked up with Swiftpaw!
Who ever did the 46 moon comment, FALSE! Spottedleaf was barely 1 year old when Firepaw came. It's not gross, foxhearts!
Spotted leaf gave fire star a life for his love for sand storm I don't understand anymore
Ummmmm we need four- sorry 5 clans, six including star clan ! They will fall apart if any clan gets too big ! Its like the Roman Empire, gets to large it'll fall apart. Far more organized like this.
The clans aren't united into one giant clan because of certain events that happened during the Dawn of the Clans. Plus, the books would be boring with just one giant clan.
Fun fact: when a StarClan cat dies or fades they get reincarnated. So why is this on the list