Top 10 Lamest Arguments Used by ChristiansHere they come again, Bible in hand, on a mission to save your soul. Prepare to eye-roll!
Let that sink into you. How DID you get here? The big bang you say? Alright, let's say that there were two billiard balls. One gets hit with a cue ball, and goes 3 mph. That ball hits the other ball, can it go more than 3 mph? No, of course not. In the big bang theory, two atoms hit each other head-on then exploded, creating the universe. Can two atoms seriously hit each other and create something bigger than possibly another element? No, it can't.
So, to answer how do you think you got here. The answer: GOD!
Seems to me that religious people are only aware of one alternative theory : the big bang. There are more theories than the big bang who are equally plausible. The oldest and now the less plausible theory is the god-theory. It's modern science and it's progressions that will maybe someday explain the beginning of the universe. It's certainly not the sudden proof of existence of god that will explain it!
What this question is really trying to get to is "why is there something rather than nothing?" and the answer to that is I don't know and neither do you. I am not claiming to have an answer to that question however you are claiming that you do have the correct explanation, and I want to know what evidence you have that your particular explanation is the correct one.
Interviewer: How do you think you got here?
Me: My mother.
Interviewer: Where did you mother come from?
Me: Her mum.
Interviewer: Where did the first person come from?
Me: They evolved.
Interviewer: What if they didn't?
Me: Wait, let me ask you where you think YOU come from?
One time I was arguing with a Christian friend who tried to convince me God is the real god not Allah (I am a Muslim by the way). He told me to disprove god, I replied to disprove Allah. He got mad and asked about which religion got better MORALS, and I replied that morality is not relevant to reality.
The burden of proof isn't on somebody to prove that something doesn't exist, it's for somebody to prove that something does exist. Especially if the atheist isn't saying they believe that there is no God, but just saying they merely lack a belief that there is a God.
I had 3 seizures in one day, I was still alive and breathing but everything blacked out like nothing there. There is no humans, no animals, no earth, no space, no sun, no moon, no living room and chair that I was sitting on. that's what it looked like.
What if when someone passes away that happens.
YES YOU CAN.. and if he doesn't then how are there miracles hu? I'm certain God is real just WAIT because he does! and about the end times you never know when jesus is coming cause he never said and ONLY god knows when he is coming, and yes there are signs but still no one knows I'm not forcing anyone to stop but just saying
I believed for thirteen years. Someone I knew believed and he used his religion to justify his poor actions. "God has a plan". He drank himself to death.
So is this the equivalent of saying that if you see a film, you MUST be an actor or actress?
I'm not a Christian but I once heard a pastor say that God answers every prayer. He answer with "yes" "no" or "not yet"
Bruce Almighty made a theory on how prayers could be answered.
If god is omniscient it means he knows the future. If he knows the future it means that the future will develop the way he knew. If the future shouldn't develop that way it means he didn't knew the future. If everything develops because his omniscient it also means that everything happens necessary. And if everything happens necessary it means that there is no free will. You can't change something that will happen necesserary. And if there's no free will it means that people aren't responsable for their sins and acts. If god punish people because of their sins from wich they are not responsable it would mean that god is immoral. The conclusion is : Or god is omniscient and also immoral or he is not immoral but in that case he isn't omniscient. Logic says that god can't be omniscient and good if he gave free will to men. In more logical terms it means that there is no god and for that matter a god-given free will.
If you say that god give us limited free will ( this wouldn't be free anymore ) like you can't choose your species or you can't fly like superman ( like you wrote in your comment ), it would be saying that he gave free will with the conditions of nature. But nature is not neccerssally a god giving thing. You can ( and I'm sure we will one day ) explain nature by science proof.
So we have free will to do whatever we want yet God has a plan and knows exactly what we're gonna do in our lives, doesn't that seem a little contradicting to you?
Looks like he accidently made them TOO intelligent then, cause so many don't believe in him!
The idea of the universe just coming into existence is the second stupidest thing I have ever heard. There is absolutely no proof of it. But there is proof of God. Consider this:
All cells come from preexisting cells
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed
So the universe can not just come out of nothing
There isn't a Big Bang. If there was, how would those atoms be created? Would they be created out of nowhere?
Answer: The Big Bang
Why can't you Christians believe the works of science already?
Maybe the universe was made in a universe cluster along with other universes?
Again, this is not a lame argument. Believers say this because they know that there is more to the interaction between God and humanity than the stupid deus ex machines seen in certain forms of entertainment.
Again, this is not a lame argument. Beleivers say this because they know that there is more to the interaction between God and humanity than the stupid deus ex machines seen in certain forms of entertainment.
My church used to say this every time I would ask a question about God. I started doubting religion the exact moment they told me this sentence.
Just a fancy quote to saying without admitting that they can't explain what is happening or giving a answer to something.
Listen even if Christian God exists...and he has committed the sin of sloth lazy to not appear on earth in our time. He would not send his son down here to behave like a monster, Jesus who was supposed to be peaceful. "Fundie who believes come to Heaven" "Sinner you will be beheaded" The seas turn into blood, some evil looking horsemen appear, Sinners go to Hell.
That's crap because if you had to believe that than we're in the end of times for more than thousands of years now. However, I saw that you " cameo " will stop and make an end at your top ten sites ( for me that's worst than the end of times because your sites were really good ). Can you can reconcider it to do not so?
We are maybe in the beginning of the end ( I'm not sure about that ) but even if this was true it would be the people's fault. Unless god decided suddenly that his creation will be bad people now. Doesn't make any sense if you ask me!
I am a Christian and I agree that it is annoying how most other Christians say that we are in the end times. God clearly states that nobody knows when the world will end. It could be a long time from now.
The bible is made by humans, so if you say " the bible says " it's the same thing that you say " people say ". And if I had to believe the morals and thinking of the stupid people that made the bible Thousand of years ago I would be stupid myself.
The bible says you have to stone people who are blasphemers to death.
People reason hatred against homosexuals with "the bible says it's bad" yet I wanna see somebody who is stoning a person for blasphemy. I mean, the bible says so...
Yep, it's a book. Written by humans. Who are flawed.
Noah was drunk after Noah's Ark.
I agree on that one. The evolution theory is not an exact science but it also doesn't proof that therefor we came by the hands of a god. Just because science hasn't the answers yet to that question doesn't mean that one day that science will not be able to explain this.
Actually humans are more closely related to the great apes, not monkeys. And to everyone saying we evolved from fish, we evolved from single-celled organisms.
Monkeys came from other, less evolved monkeys and the evolution split down the line. We did not come from monkeys. Don't say this and look stupid.
We actually evolved from a third species, that were a combination of humans and monkeys. Just like dogs and wolves.
This argument is flawed for so many reasons. First off you're only concerned about not going to the hell of your specific religion. What if you're a Christian but Islam ends up being the one true religion, and you go to Muslim hell for being a Christian and not a Muslim. All other religions can make this argument for why you should believe in their particular religion. How would you determine which religion is correct? In addition, if it turned out that all religions are wrong and there is no God, then you wouldn't lose nothing, you would lose doing whatever you want for the one and only life you know you have. Also belief is not a choice. You either become convinced of something or you don't, but you don't choose whether or not you're convinced. I never choose to stopped being convinced that there is a God, I couldn't help but to stop being convinced. To any Christian reading this, if you truly believe that belief is a choose then I dare you to stop believing in God for the next ...more
Ugh, this happened to me in school once. (Yes, I am a child, don't think that just cause' I can spell doesn't mean I'm an adult.) So, I was in kindergarten, in a non-Christian public school. Some random kids were chatting about religion, and they asked me if I was a Christian. Being very, very passionate about not being a Christian, I said no. Then they started attacking me (verbally, don't worry) and said that "You're going to go to hell! " I thought that it was stupid that they thought that all of a sudden, just because they said so, I should fear hell and automatically believe in Christianity. So, I said: "I don't care. Why should I? " They began screaming in my face and I just walked away. Honestly, I can't stand people that try and shove their religion in my face. Also, I know that I'm going to get ravaged by the Christians of the Internet for this, but personally I think that God is a Gary Sue. He's perfect, everyone loves Him, and He does no wrong. Sound familiar? I'm not a ...more
I see this all the time, and the problem with this is that EVERYTHING has a risk. If you played it safe with everything, well, if I leave my house, a axe man might kill me, or I might die in a car accident, but the chances of this are slim, so I still go outside.
Another problem is that you can't 'put on' religion like a coat. It's not a belief unless you actually Belive it. And, if you're an atheist like me, it's hard to change your mind.
I was like 7 years old, at a sort of special daycare meant for children with mental disorders (Not very bad disorders, don't worry, I'm not a psycho.), and I was in the car back to the daycare because we went on a trip that day. During the car ride, the subject touched on religion. I said I didn't believe in god, and the other girl that was with me in the car simply said; ''Then you'll go to hell.'' Needless to say my 7 year old self was stressed out for the rest of the day.
Ya good wasn't he some horrible guy before "He was forgiven" and, he was horrible with god controlling him or whatever.
If he died or if he had lived what would be the difference in my life?
And does that change my life in any way?
So he died for billions of people?
Yes and no. The Hebrews mixed history with theology, but there are huge portions of the bible that exaggerate, or try to tie religious belief with factual history, much of it being based on, or identical to, earlier Mesopotamian religious beliefs, in spite of things they knew were true even then. As well as many that contradict themselves. It is first, and foremost, a book of Christian theology, not history.
No, it isn't. But it's a great read, all those 1000+ pages.
If it's a history book, can I read about the Ancient Greeks in it? (sarcasm)
Not sure if it is
Personally, I think hell is fictional. And if I die, then I (plus everyone who dies) will stay in my grave.
Only if you did something really unthinkable, such as committing terrorism or murder.
It might not be so bad. I mean, they say there's pizza with pineapple there.
No, you don't go to hell WHEN you die. You go to hell AFTER you die.
Except Humans are the worst species of animal on earth. Why are we so special just because we have managed to destroy the earth?
Thanks, Captain Obvious. Because God was a human (if he even exists, of course)
Humans come from sex
But, Atheists don't really have a faith. Or do they?
This claim made me lose a brain cell
This is why I hate when people say that if they're abstinent or are pretty wholesome, they're a "child of god". I am abstinent and quite wholesome and I'm an atheist. If someone tells me I'm a "child of god/Jesus" because of my lifestyle, I'll tell them to stop giving me that schtick.
No, it can be possible without religion. I still have morals and I'm an atheist
I'm not immortal
Ok I'm a Christian, and I cringe whenever I hear this argument. It's like saying that you're still alive because 2 midgets dropped a ring into a volcano. Do you think Lord of the Rings is a history book? No, you don't and Atheists don't think the Bible is a history book and therefore don't believe in God, so to an Atheist asking God forgiveness is like praising Frodo and Sam for their courage.
Ok looking back the Lord of the Rings refrence looks a bit akward, but it hopefully got the messagd across.
Conscience. And if they think that their conscience is clear it means that they think that they didn't do anything wrong because it's forgiven.
Of course you can't do all that. You have to go to confession (this is a Roman Catholic speaking).
That one is true, to be honest.
Well, at least if you didn't commit very horrible crimes. (That way, it might not work! )
This is also not a lame argument. Theists believe in a close relationship with God, but it doesn't mean that they expect God to spoil them rotten. Hard times tend be a test of faith because God wants to see if humans are strong enough to deal with the harsh reality of the world.
If god is testing me for something I didn't ask than he must be a very evil person (or whatever he is). He likes to play with his supposed creation or what?
Why would God test me or anyone in general? Even though I am a Christian, this statement sounds stupid in my opinion.
Testing me on what? Calculus? If so, I'm going to fail (this is a joke)
The worlds temperature has not increased in any major way over the past century. It may have changed a few degrees every now and then but that is completly natural and has always occurred. No doubt greenhouse gasses are a problem but overall the mass hysteria over "global warming" is complete uncalled for and defiantly should not be a concern for our government despite what Obama thinks.
As a Christian, I disagree. Global Warming is real and we really need to fix this catastrophic situation as fast as possible.
Global warming shouldn't be ignored. It's actually a serious issue that's harming the environment. There's scientific proof of it
I don't want to die. Millions more people are dying. So you say, the world is getting colder.
To answer you question Tek, homosexuality is a sin, and just like if you were a murderer, you would go to hell for being gay. Some people claim they are Christians, but support homosexuality because they want to be accepted by the rest of the world not not be labeled a homophobic. These people do not demonstrate the true beliefs of Christians, and rather support gays so people don't attack them. Christians are called not to live by the worlds standard, but to live by gods standard. Therefore, Christians need to accept that both murder and those who practice sexual immorality are both sinners
I'm a Christian who believes homosexuality is NATURAL, not sinful. Being gay or straight is like being right-handed or left-handed, so it's not a choice. I'm adding this item because it is a lame reason to give as to why homosexuality is wrong. Yes, God made a man and a woman during creation so that the human species can survive and become more numerous, but it doesn't mean that the refusal to procreate in a married relationship is automatically wrong. There is so much more to a marriage than having and raising children.
If god created all humans at his image, why did he create humans then who are homosexual? You are born homosexual ( sometimes you are not realizing it until later ) so why is it a sin? He gave man free will? Where's the free will in your choise of love? Nothing makes logic in all that. Unless you're saying that homosexuals choosed evil and satan and therefore it's a sin. But then comes the question again, If you were born homosexual ( it's a proven fact ) how can you choose then? I'm an atheist and I'm not homosexual but to say that there are not accepted in your irrational beliefs is very hypocritical..
For some reason, I would be claiming that I'm the first Atheist who said this in this comment section. If being "homosexual" can be accepted as "not" a sin, then why would you not accept murderers? I mean, it's just the same. Just like what you all said..."their human, just like you". Yes, Homosexual are Human but also murderers so what's the difference? It's just like good and bad...except there is no good and bad. Everyone has free will right? Then if you saw a person who's being mean and you told him, "do not be mean that's bad", where's his free will now? Completely, you just took it from him. You can't change a person by words fellow brothers and sisters, action does. So if you want your words to be heard, get a mafia gang or something and start your riot. You know, I always wanted to be a villain, why? Because people are being selfish now in life...you already know who I'm talking to...open your eyes and start telling the truth, you live with guilt in you and pain, which you ...more
Time is relative. You can however measure time in relation with the speed of light. But when matter goes faster than light it will transform in pure enegergy. And beyond pure energy even time stops because it's impossible to measure something that doesn't react anymore. That is a proven scientefic theory. My question is, where is god in all that?
This is not a lame argument. It is used by beleivers because God is supposed to transcends humans in everything, including patience.
Being satanic would mean that we're not atheists. If we believe in satan. We'd be killing each other.
YET YOU ASK US, 'what is stopping you from killing everyone. YOU say that we drink blood and use it to draw Pentagons. Few Christian's criticize. But some do. It is racist.
How are we Satanic if we don't believe in Satan...?
I can't believe my eyes! God made some people bad just because I'm suposed to help them? If one of those bad people is for instance a religious extremist who decides in the name of god to blow up with a bomb people who don't believe ( it can even be your family that is a victim of his acts ), I am the one who is suposed to help him? ( Response to the comment that god made bad people because we have to help them )
I know for a sure fact that I came from my mother! And besides that, what about handicap people, retarded people, bad people... is that the work of a good god?
I came from my mother, not God. Why the hell would God summon me all of a sudden?
Yes, I came from my mother and father.
Atheists can be good people (I'm an atheist and I'm not that bad) and they get their morals from either their family or their environment (I.e. me).
I get my morals from myself. And I'm a good person!
Some atheists are good